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360 2 1/4 express loading information?
Sep 2nd, 2014 at 8:15pm
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I have a Brit. rifle that is chambered in 360 2 1/4 express and need some help on loading information.  I haven't been able to find out much on the cartridge.  Does any one have one of these and worked up loads for it.  Just need some guidelines to work with jacketed bullets and cast bullets.  Thanks in advance, John.
  
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Reply #1 - Sep 3rd, 2014 at 1:32am
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John,

I'm sure there are some loads listed in my copy of British Sporting Rifle Cartridges. Unfortunately it's out on loan but I should be able to get it back later today 03/09/14. Most of these rifles were made during the Black Powder period and some of the barrels are very soft indeed and not really suitable for jacketed bullets or perhaps the higher temperatures of White Powder. Check the Proof Marks for a BP or WP designation.   

Despite the name of the cartridge it doesn't have a lot of bullet velocity, and the design is old, I have seen cartridges made from coiled brass sheet identical in construction to the .577 Snider and .577/450 Martini-Henry rounds which were made before cases could be successfully drawn from one piece of metal at an economical price. In the U/K and elsewhere this round was used on small game and Deer/Antelope sized animals weighing perhaps up to 100 lbs., but no more. 

I'll get back to you later today.

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Re: 360 2 1/4 express loading information?
Reply #2 - Sep 3rd, 2014 at 3:11am
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For "old black powder rifles", Cartridges of the World shows a load of 23 grains of 4198. Bullet listed with this load is 190 grain. MV = 1650
For modern rifles, the listed load is 26 gr. 4198 using a 250 gr. jacketed bullet giving the MV at 1700.
I'd suggest that you compare loads from several sources then start light and work your way up. Better to be safe than sorry,......... just my 2 cents worth.
  
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Reply #3 - Sep 3rd, 2014 at 10:03am
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Thanks guys.

The proof marks on the barrel is for 30 gr. cordite, 300 grain bullet max.  I haven't a clue what pressure and speed this might be.  That is why I'm looking for loading information.  Will start low of course, just looking for powders and bullet weights that might work.
  
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Reply #4 - Sep 3rd, 2014 at 10:35am
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Here you can find some loading information although they are for Husqvarna rifles. 

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It seems the 360 2 1/4 was also called 9,3x57R/360 or 9,15x57R/360, depending where the rifle was made.

Does anybody know how to get or make brass for this caliber?
  
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Reply #5 - Sep 3rd, 2014 at 11:23am
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Cartridges of the World shows a couple loadings for Cordite.  1) 190 gr bullet, 22 gr. FL giving a MV of 1650. 2) 300 gr bullet, 30 gr. FL with MV of 1650.
  
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Reply #6 - Sep 3rd, 2014 at 3:24pm
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Hello john,
I've got my book back and looking up the .360 2 1/4" round. You wouldn't believe just how many different cartridges there are.  Shocked

However, as your rifle has nitro proofing marks then it is likely to be either the .360 2 1/4" Nitro for Black Powder Express or the 2 1/4" Nitro Express. All the Powders shown are at least 90 years old and are no longer made. 

The Bullet Weight in the .360 2 1/4" Nitro for BP Express are between 190 and 200 grains.

For the .360 2 1/4" Nitro Express again none of the powders are in production. The bullet weights were either 250 or 300 grains maximum. A great variety of bullets were available for both the Nitro for BP Express and the Nitro Express. It is stated that the Nitro for BP Express dates from before 1892, and the Nitro Express version dates from pre 1902. The original BP cartridge dates way back to before 1878.

There are a plethora of other .360 2 1/4" rounds as well, each by different British Gun Makers a total of 23 different rounds and loadings. Attributed to Purdey 4 types, Gibbs 2 types, Westley Richards 4 types. All fitted with different bullet types from lead, paper patched to lead, round nose, copper tubed. Virtually all loads are about 1600 fps or less.

Personally, if the rifle was mine, I'd load a duplex load using Black Powder with a small charge (perhaps 10% weight of a bulk US shotgun powder) over the primer. This would cut fouling to a minimum and not overstress the rifle. Clean up afterwards is very easy.
You might be able to get cases from Kynamco here in England, I believe their brass is Boxer Primed these days. Try 'Googling' their name, you'll get their website easily enough. Good luck.

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Reply #7 - Sep 3rd, 2014 at 3:51pm
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John,
Check out the forums at nitroexpress.com

Some very knowledgeable guys over there.
  
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Reply #8 - Sep 3rd, 2014 at 4:10pm
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There was an article back in the Summer 1994 of The Double Gun Journal written by Mel Swanson and titled Loading English Black Powder Cartridges, Part I which contained some loading data.
I can't locate my copyright now, but maybe someone may have a back issue somewhere.

  

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Reply #9 - Sep 3rd, 2014 at 4:53pm
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To make brass, just shorten 9.3x72R to 57mm.
  
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Reply #10 - Sep 3rd, 2014 at 6:59pm
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Wow, thanks everyone for the information!  This at least gives me a starting point for looking.  I wasn't having any luck in any of the places I was looking at.  I am in the process of making a hammer for the Farquharson at the moment.  The original was broken, but I at least had the pieces to work from.  Also needs a front sight, but that should not present a problem.  Best regards, John.
  
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Re: 360 2 1/4 express loading information?
Reply #11 - Sep 4th, 2014 at 1:26am
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If this works, this is from first edition COTW.
What is the rear dia of your chamber?  I may have some brass that will work for you, it's un trimmed 220 Swift brass base .442 .470 rim 2.380 long
  
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Reply #12 - Sep 4th, 2014 at 9:51am
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I don't believe the Swift case will work.  My chamber is .428 at the head, and the rim diameter is .482.  Thanks for the offer anyway.  Best regards, John
  
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