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Bradford Ex Member	Seeking additional info on A.F.W. Timner Sheutzen Aug 30^th, 2014 at 12:25pm	Print Post
	Greetings and thanks for accepting my request. I have been attempting to learn more about a Sheutzen rifle my father acquired during World War II. I have learned a few things but am still curious about it and its history if it can be determined. The rifle has some beautiful engraving work as I have learned many Sheutzens did. I understand that they are not particularly rare so its primary value may be as a keepsake and a testament to old world skills. Other than "A.F.W. Timner Coblenz" on the top of the barrel and the Crown over B and Crown over U proof marks on the right side of the receiver . My reading has lead me to believe this dates the rifle post 1891. I have read that Timner did drillings but have so far found no reference to Sheutzens in the limited references I have located. I would appreciate any additional information someone might have about this beautiful rifle. I am assuming it is chambered in the 8.15 x 46R which was a popular caliber apparently. It is close to .30 caliber. Sadly the rear sight was not acquired or went missing. Thanks.


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Stractor Junior Member Offline Posts: 94 Location: New Jersey Joined: Jan 3^rd, 2010	Re: Seeking additional info on A.F.W. Timner Sheutzen Reply #1 - Aug 31^st, 2014 at 2:02pm	Print Post
	Remove the forearm and see if there are numbers on the barrel -they will usually tell you the caliber and the date as well as other info. Post a picture if you find any, fill the numbers with white chalk or whiteout so they are more visible, if you can. You should see something like this.
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rgchristensen Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1103 Joined: Jan 2^nd, 2014	Re: Seeking additional info on A.F.W. Timner Sheutzen Reply #2 - Aug 31^st, 2014 at 6:04pm	Print Post
	Tom Rowe has published a series of (alas, expensive) books on the German rifles. Generally the name on the bbl is that of a retailer. From the books and an examination of the mechanism, you can determine the type of action and sometimes the maker, or at least the "system". CHRIS RGChristensen


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Bradford Ex Member	Re: Seeking additional info on A.F.W. Timner Sheutzen Reply #3 - Sep 2^nd, 2014 at 2:25pm	Print Post
	Thanks so much for the suggestions. I will follow up first opportunity.


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Bradford Ex Member	Re: Seeking additional info on A.F.W. Timner Sheutzen Reply #4 - Sep 2^nd, 2014 at 6:11pm	Print Post
	More information. Thanks!


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Stractor Junior Member Offline Posts: 94 Location: New Jersey Joined: Jan 3^rd, 2010	Re: Seeking additional info on A.F.W. Timner Sheutzen Reply #5 - Sep 2^nd, 2014 at 8:15pm	Print Post
	OK lets see if I can decipher this--- The following is not set in stone as I am no expert. The info is from the set of books mentioned previously. The action is basically a Martini type but the system (innards) is unknown as the rifle would have to be dissembled. AW==Adalbert Wolf - Barrel Maker There are several AWs but only one listed as a barrel maker. 7.7mm ==bore, Most likely a 8.15x46R 10.12==should be the date Oct 1912 of proof. 176==Proof house serial?? B,G,U proofs ==B first proof,U second proof,G rifled barrel proof. These are the most common proofs -B,G,U. and can be found anywhere on a rifle. GB and 14 ==??????? Go here and poke around, you will find it interesting (You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links) If your browser puts up a yellow bar at the top of the page telling you----- Translated in Safe Mode. This may cause problems with some websites, especially those that use plugins like Flash.Click here to disable Safe Mode---- --click disable safe mode and you can search the categories on the left side of the page
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waterman Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 2846 Location: Behind the Redwood Curtain Joined: Jun 9^th, 2004	Re: Seeking additional info on A.F.W. Timner Sheutzen Reply #6 - Sep 3^rd, 2014 at 2:15am	Print Post
	My interpretation is the same as Stractor. Proof dates from Oct. 1910. Biggi, some help here is needed.


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Bradford Ex Member	Re: Seeking additional info on A.F.W. Timner Sheutzen Reply #7 - Sep 3^rd, 2014 at 10:12am	Print Post
	Thank you. For forty plus years I've been wondering what this rifle was. All my father said was it was a German hunting rifle, which wasn't quite the case obviously. He was a military governor briefly at the end of the war and I assume he acquired it at that time.


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Bradford Ex Member	Re: Seeking additional info on A.F.W. Timner Sheutzen Reply #8 - Sep 3^rd, 2014 at 8:18pm	Print Post
	I was thinking today how wonderful it would be if I could repatriate this rifle to the family of its original owner, but the chances of doing that are virtually non-existent without more information.


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