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Lee Reloading Manual
Aug 6th, 2014 at 12:37am
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I've never had a Lee reloading manual so I bought one recently.  In it Richard Lee strenuously cautions against using Federal Primers in the original Lee Auto Prime tool.  He says Federal primers are far more liable to detonate while being seated than are other brands.  My question is, has anyone experienced this happening?  I've seated who knows how many primers with the Auto Prime and have never had a primer detonate while being seated. In fact, I've never had a primer detonate while being seated with any kind of seating tool. My neighbor has used the Auto Prime for years, mostly with Federal primers and never had a problem either.  Have we just been lucky?

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Reply #1 - Aug 6th, 2014 at 9:08am
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I've seated a couple of hundred thousand primers the vast majority Federal. Never had one go off when seating. I've never had one go off when I have accidently seated one upside down and had to push them out. Sounds like bunk to me.
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Reply #2 - Aug 6th, 2014 at 11:25am
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I agree. A primer takes a strike to go off, and pushing one in to seat it wont set it off. I wouldn't try it, but I'd bet you could put a primer in a vise and crush it flat, and not have it detonate.
  

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Reply #3 - Aug 6th, 2014 at 11:58am
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Well one wouldn't think he just made the whole thing up as it would hurt his sales to those who use Federal primers. Don't think a man with his intelligence would shoot himself in the foot without due cause. 

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Reply #4 - Aug 6th, 2014 at 12:10pm
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I'm another long time Federal user in the very tool Lee says not to do it in. It's the only tool I've ever used for priming. I started using it in 1985 and have even crashed Federal primers, sideways in it, up into the primer pocket.

The only thing that I can think of for the warning is that, sometime in the early 90's, Federal had a shipment detonate and that is why they are package like they are. If you remember the package change, that why they had to do it. I hate those boxes but, I love Federal so, I still use them.

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Reply #5 - Aug 6th, 2014 at 12:21pm
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but I'd bet you could put a primer in a vise and crush it flat, and not have it detonate.
Vall, I'd bet too and give long odds  ... for the primer powder to ignite by crushing the anvil - the primer has to be hit Hard & Fast

re: Lee Auto Primers: With both the large & small round trays, have never had a Federal ignite. 

Only one time I had one ignite was a test: primer in press cup - slammed the press ram Fast & Hard ... BOOM! 
  
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Reply #6 - Aug 6th, 2014 at 1:17pm
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Do a search, just read one where the primer went off and ignited the rest in the tray. Fellow got lucky thanks to his safety equip.

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Reply #7 - Aug 6th, 2014 at 10:03pm
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I agree that Richard Lee must have had a good reason for the warning in his manual.  Some of it may be for liability reasons and it's just a fact of life that if there's even the remotest chance that someone can do something really stupid and hurt himself, it will happen sooner or later.  I haven't had much luck running searches but I would like to know what caused a primer to detonate and if it was the fault of the primer or the operator.

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Reply #8 - Aug 6th, 2014 at 11:46pm
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Federal primers are known for having softer cups by design thus making them easier to set off / extremely more sensitive and they work extremely well for that intended purpose. CCI on the other hand is noted for there harder cups again by design for their intended purpose and they also work extremely well. It would be best to simply ignore what I have just pointed out as well as the others and to contact Federal to see what they have to say on the issue, they are just an email away so you will get it in writing should you want to share it with the group?


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Reply #9 - Aug 7th, 2014 at 3:15am
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One of the guys here in Tacoma had a primer go off capping or decapping a case 20 or 30 years ago.  I do not remember the details, but he was a very experienced shooter.  The shrapnel hit his hand. Of course there was blood everywhere, panic, ect, but it just looked worse than it was.  It did happen once but not sure of the brand.
  

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Reply #10 - Aug 7th, 2014 at 6:04am
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The newer Lee priming tool has a safety shield that rises to protect the primer tray from detonating should the primer being inserted in the case blows. I was told by the Lee distributor that all brands of primers can be used with this tool. Have been aware of the warning with the original priming tool but have never had a problem with Federal primers in that tool. A friend did and from his description it was really bad- the primers in the tray also blew up. He was lucky to not be injured. Don't know what brand of primers he was using. As J. Louis stated, the Federal primers are known to be soft. They are especially good in handguns with lighter  hammer springs.
  
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Reply #11 - Aug 7th, 2014 at 8:42am
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Got tired of the imprecise nature of the Lee priming tools (new & old - you get what you pay for). Spent the money (ouch!) for a 21st Century stainless priming tool. Although a single load (just like our rifles), it is simple, quick and very accurate (can adjust primer seating depth). Have found it to be just as fast as the Lee, which I was always 'fussing' with to get the primers aligned, fed, whatever. In looking for the 'nth degree' of accuracy, don't overlook consistent primer seating depth. At least that is what the high power shooters (long-range & BR) at the top of that game believe. Probably the same for us. YMMV.
  

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Reply #12 - Aug 7th, 2014 at 7:45pm
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I've had a Lee priming tool since they first arrived on the market. Since then I purchased 2-3 other Lee priming tools, just because I liked it so much, and found them for $5-$6 ea. at gun shows. Figured if they ever changed, or stopped selling them I wanted spares. I keep one set up for small primers, and one for large, so I don't have to change the rods when I change sizes.
  

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Reply #13 - Aug 7th, 2014 at 9:41pm
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I had one for 30 plus years and enjoyed using it, gave it to a young fellow in need who was starting to reload hunting ammo on a limited budget a few years back and enjoys using it as well.

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Reply #14 - Aug 15th, 2014 at 6:25am
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I have several Lee priming tools and have primed thousands of cartridges but always use the recommended primers.
A friend of mine tried using primers NOT recommended and one detonated, which set off the others in the tray, and he got a face and chest full of shrapnel, fortunately he had glasses on. (this was before they made the shield)  If a commercial manufacturer tells you NOT to use a specific primer in their equipment, there has to be a good reason for it. It pays to read the little manual that comes with stuff. 
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