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.45 Romanian Peabody (alias 11.43X49mmR)
Jul 21st, 2014 at 3:13pm
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(Cross-posted from CastBoolits)

Well, I just started working with this one.  It took 4 different dies to rough out some cases for fireforming from parent case .50-90 Sharps.  Final case length 1.92"   I did a chamber cast.  Bore mikes around .462" just ahead of the chamber on the casting.  Fireformed with 60 gr Scheutzen 2F under a .459 405gr HB (original trapdoor bullet from an NEI mold).  Reasonable accuracy (roughly 6" group for a dozen shots mixed bench and offhand at about 75 yards) considering cases were not fully pre-formed.  The rifle is a Providence Tool Co. Romanian Peabody, dating from 1868.  Excellent bore with a couple very small areas of light pitting.  Arsenal load supposedly is 77gr bp with a 380 gr grooved bullet.  I'll probably stick with the 405gr as I like the small hollow base to assist bump-up to bore diameter.
I'm impressed with the "modern" nature of the design.  Minimal body taper yielding lower rearward thrust, short sharp shoulder, reasonable neck length for good bullet support (compared to the 1870 Italian Vetterli 10.4mm, a near contemporary, with almost no neck and a greatly-tapered body--just worked with that one recently)  Hard to see why this cartridge didn't have more contemporary imitators.  AFAIK, never chambered for any other firearm anywhere in the world.  Prov Tool made 25,000, though apparently not all were delivered to Romania.

Here's a pic of a couple cases and the chamber cast.

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Re: .45 Romanian Peabody (alias 11.43X49mmR)
Reply #1 - Jul 21st, 2014 at 3:32pm
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That looks like a Dandy case. Being a fan of the .45-75wcf the .45 Romanian Peabody caught my eye. The .45 Romanian looks like a .45-75wcf with the shoulder moved forward and less taper. I also form the .45-75 wcf case, using the .50- 90 Sharps case ,and the .348 wcf case. Look forward to seeing more on your work with this cartridge.DT.
  
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Reply #2 - Jul 21st, 2014 at 6:51pm
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Currently .50-90 brass seems to be in the "unobtanium" class.  I used up the ones I had on hand and decided to pay through the nose for some preformed by BA after they told me that the .50-90's had been backordered for two years!!!  I hope theirs are well-done.    .50-70's work too, but end up about .150" too short.
  

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Reply #3 - Jul 21st, 2014 at 7:31pm
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Well, 50-90 brass isn't quite "unobtanium."  I have some brand new BELL brass headstamped 50-90 sitting here that I was going to cut down to 50-70.  Be glad to sell it for $132.50 postpaid (within the US) if you want it. 

I have been looking at that Rumanian Peabody on GunBroker but doubt I'll bid on it.  I have a 45-70 Conneticut Militia Peabody that is finally starting to show some promise (2" group at 65 yards sitting).

PM me if interested in the BELL brass if interested.

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Re: .45 Romanian Peabody (alias 11.43X49mmR)
Reply #4 - Jul 22nd, 2014 at 10:51am
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Thanks for the offer, George.  I've got three boxes of Bell 50 Basic, and a bunch of Bell already trimmed/formed to .50-90, but I believe case necks are thicker, and there's actually very little room in the chamber for extra wall thickness with a .459" bullet aboard.  The Starline .50-90 has thinner walls at the mouth.  (And the formed BA stuff which I already ordered is about the same price anyhow.)  Thanks much for the offer anyhow!!  Us Peabody guys gotta stick together!!
  

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Reply #5 - Jul 22nd, 2014 at 8:56pm
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Well John, I would probably regret selling the 50-90 brass anyway.  I have one 50-70 that needs cases with a thicker neck and that was why I was going to cut them down.  May do it yet.  I have a 43 Spanish "hack job" Peabody in for a rebore to 45-70 as well as the Conneticut Militia and a 50-70 Peabody Carbine.  I wouldn't part with any of them.  They just have  a great "feel" to them.  Besides that, my great great grandmother was a Peabody.

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Re: .45 Romanian Peabody (alias 11.43X49mmR)
Reply #6 - Jul 23rd, 2014 at 3:30pm
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Related to Henry O.  ?
  

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Reply #7 - Jul 23rd, 2014 at 3:40pm
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I don't know.  A few winters ago I tried tracing it but am just not too adept at geneology.   We do know for certain that she was directly related to the Peabody Sisters of Salem.  I tried working back from there; and forward from when the first Peabody landed (boat after the Mayflower), but am not adept enough to follow it through just from text.  I need a BIG picture of the "tree" with all the roots to figure it out.  Maybe this winter I may find time to try again. 

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Re: .45 Romanian Peabody (alias 11.43X49mmR)
Reply #8 - Jul 24th, 2014 at 8:15pm
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Just did a mild trigger tune on the Romanian and annealed the cases I formed and the ones that just arrived from BA Co.  May shoot again tomorrow, a bit more formally.
  

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