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Steven's 44 with #5 barrel?
Jul 11th, 2014 at 2:12pm
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What size barrel do you think is on this 44?  It appears bigger than the #4 barrels I have on my CPA.

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Reply #1 - Jul 11th, 2014 at 2:32pm
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Here is a closeup of the barrel and breech.

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Reply #2 - Jul 11th, 2014 at 5:39pm
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That is a VERY beautiful 107 style Stevens rifle. Does it have the Stevens markings on the barrel? 

Yes, I'd say it was at least a #5 barrel. Possibly a custom size barrel by a non Stevens maker?

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Reply #3 - Jul 11th, 2014 at 6:40pm
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The barrel does have Steven's markings.  I'll post a picture.  I don't own the rifle, but have pictures sent to me by the seller.

I need another single shot like I need another hole in the head, but this one is tempting.

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Reply #4 - Jul 11th, 2014 at 6:43pm
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Here are the barrel markings.

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I think there is a collector up here that is slowly selling his collection and I'm slowly buying them  Smiley

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Reply #5 - Jul 11th, 2014 at 7:49pm
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Maybe the seller can send a picture of the underside of the barrel where the weight number is stamped?
  

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Reply #6 - Jul 11th, 2014 at 9:05pm
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I have one, the lower tang is one of Beisens that I installed so I know the serial number doesn't match the barrel's. It's Stevens marked & full octagon about 1.25" at the breech. It's a 32-40 x 32"long & the stamp where the barrel size goes says number 2. If my life depended on it I couldn't shoot it offhand, but it's amazing how pleasant it is to shoot.       ...MIKE...
  
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Reply #7 - Jul 11th, 2014 at 10:40pm
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I'm definitely thinking hard about this one.  The only problem it has is that at some time the wrist was cracked and although it's been repaired, it' quite visible.

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Reply #8 - Jul 12th, 2014 at 2:58am
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frnkeore wrote on Jul 11th, 2014 at 5:39pm:
That is a VERY beautiful 107 style Stevens rifle. Does it have the Stevens markings on the barrel?


Just curious, Frank - what clues tell you that it is a model 107 and not a high grade post-'96 Model 44?  The two line rollstamp on the barrel would suggest later, to me.

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Reply #9 - Jul 12th, 2014 at 3:19am
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Ooops, just noticed that it has the sharp corner.  It's a 10x series with a later barrel on it is my guess.
  

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Reply #10 - Jul 12th, 2014 at 9:49am
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From the pictures, the serial number is 290x.  The last digit is missing as there was a hole drilled IMO the tang at that location.   

I guess that would likely make it a 107 with a later barrel then?

There is a lot that I do not know about these rifles.   

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Reply #11 - Jul 12th, 2014 at 11:47am
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Sounds like it might be a put together gun, as many old shooters built. The receiver has Stevens acid etched "engraving", rather than the earlier hand engraved style. A lot of these guns were assembled by shooters, and some were also reworked by Stevens themselves. Some even have matching serial numbers throughout, but not always matching fonts used.
If the price is right, I'd still want to own it, as it's a neat little Stevens.
  

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Re: Steven's 44 with #5 barrel?
Reply #12 - Jul 13th, 2014 at 12:47pm
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Do you know when the acid etched engraving would have appeared on factory rifles?   I wonder if at some time the rifle was returned to Steven's for a new barrel and had the engraving done at that time?

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Reply #13 - Jul 13th, 2014 at 5:26pm
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gunlaker wrote on Jul 13th, 2014 at 12:47pm:
Do you know when the acid etched engraving would have appeared on factory rifles?   I wonder if at some time the rifle was returned to Steven's for a new barrel and had the engraving done at that time?

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Afraid I'm not a Stevens expert, but most the Stevens I've seen with engraving (either type) were earlier guns. I've seen some pretty early guns with the etched engraving, and I also think both types of engraving (etched and hand cut) were offered at the same time, just different pricing. I have a few old Stevens catalogs, and some Stevens reprint catalogs, so I'll see if they mention both types. Usually they just have a starting price for engraving, like "$5 and up."
  

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Re: Steven's 44 with #5 barrel?
Reply #14 - Jul 13th, 2014 at 5:30pm
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After looking at the pictures of the lower tang, I'm not sure it's a 4 digit serial number? It looks like it's just 290, and the end of the screw I don't believe is through a number. In 4 digit Stevens usually jumped over and put the other digits after the screw hole.
  

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Reply #15 - Jul 14th, 2014 at 7:35pm
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I don't believe the 44 1/2 were ever acid etch engraved & I've never seen an engraved 44, if my memory serves. Also, has anyone noticed how the barrel doesn't index properly?     ...MIKE...
  
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Re: Steven's 44 with #5 barrel?
Reply #16 - Jul 14th, 2014 at 8:12pm
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MAD MIKE wrote on Jul 14th, 2014 at 7:35pm:
I don't believe the 44 1/2 were ever acid etch engraved & I've never seen an engraved 44, if my memory serves. Also, has anyone noticed how the barrel doesn't index properly?     ...MIKE...


I think that's just the perspective of the picture.  If you are seeing what I'm seeing...

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Reply #17 - Jul 14th, 2014 at 8:41pm
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MAD MIKE wrote on Jul 14th, 2014 at 7:35pm:
I don't believe the 44 1/2 were ever acid etch engraved & I've never seen an engraved 44, if my memory serves. Also, has anyone noticed how the barrel doesn't index properly?     ...MIKE...


I have two presently Mike, and have had one other that I sold. An engraved 44 is not as common as a 44 1/2, but still around. Engraved Stevens are usually pretty easy to spot if etched or hand cut. It sure looks acid etched to me!
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Now you've seen an engraved 44. Sorry for the crappy pictures on the #49. If you look at the OP's  2nd picture that's looking down the side of the receiver at an angle, you'll notice there's no depth to the surface. The engraving (if hand cut) would  have some 3 dimensional depth to it, but it's pretty much smooth. That tells me it's the etched engraving that Stevens offered. The blackened areas are also typical of etched, and Stevens attempt to give it the look of having depth.
Not sure if the 44 1/2 were ever acid etched, but the OP's gun is a 44 anyway.
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Reply #18 - Aug 3rd, 2014 at 8:00pm
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I've had that rifle paid off for a few months now.  
Sure hope the folks I bought it from in Canada aren't trying to sell it again.  I'll be a bit upset.  It's 290x
I'm guessing around 1896 but no way to prove that I'm aware
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Reply #19 - Aug 3rd, 2014 at 8:31pm
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Are you saying that you bought that rifle from them already?  That is pretty strange.  They are a very reputable dealer.  I've bought a few rifles from them in the past.  If it's your rifle I can only imagine that they've forgotten to take it out of their computer's inventory.

How do you like the rifle?  Smiley

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Reply #20 - Aug 3rd, 2014 at 8:57pm
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I can assure u its bought and paid for, but I'm in the us and the gun is at epps.  I'm waiting to find a good importer.  I took advantage of there layaway policy and that might be the reason its taking them time to pull the listing.  I had spoke to them about a few others they had but most of the others remaining were considerably more expensive including a nice stevens 52 .3240 that came with an extra 22 barrel that obviously from another rifle.  The gun was nice its not worth the 10k!   It was explained to me that the Guns were part of an estate and the negotiations on prices was nearly impossible.   Importing fees are  more than what most people pay for two cheap hunting rifles!
  
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Reply #21 - Aug 3rd, 2014 at 9:12pm
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In addition to the wrist issues, i believe the barrel has possibly been cut based upon the distance from the front sight to the end of the barrel. .. But I am excited about the remington front sight.
  
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Reply #22 - Aug 3rd, 2014 at 9:56pm
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Is it that expensive bringing a rifle south then?  I pay $250 CDN plus shipping and insurance for importing from the U.S. to Canada.

The one suggestion I'd give you is to ensure they pack it well.  I was not pleased to see the way my Zischang highwall was sent.  They'd put the moulds into the same case as the rifle with not so much as a piece of newspaper around them to protect the rifle from being scratched.  No harm was done though.  Otherwise I've been happy dealing with them. 

That 10k Stevens does seem way overpriced, but sometimes people up here think their stuff is priceless.  I saw a Borchardt up here that was priced at $4000 and it literally looked like I was buried at sea for a few decades.

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Reply #23 - Aug 3rd, 2014 at 10:14pm
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As i understand it u can basically just ship an antique across the border without an ATF 6 form and all the fees (700-1000+ depending on who u talk to) for the costs u described with cbp approval.   Ive read in publications where stevens changed from 107-110 in 1896.  So I believe the gun is an antique.  However this isnt a situation  like a serial no. And record letter You can verify thru winchester or marlin.  So I need to have some conversations with the canadian border patrol and determine exactly what constitutes proof . 
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Reply #24 - Aug 3rd, 2014 at 10:37pm
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Stevens catalogs will confirm that the 107-110 was replaced with the Model 44 designation in the 1896.  Same year that Page took over the company.   

Some years ago I bought a barrel and frame for a Forehand & Wadsworth rifle from a Canadian eBay seller.   If I recall aright, they mailed it, with nary a qualm. 
  

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Reply #25 - Aug 3rd, 2014 at 10:41pm
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Good to know unfortunately I don't possess early catalogs.     I just don't want an expensive mistake.  I know of some discussion in flaydermans books
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Reply #26 - Aug 3rd, 2014 at 11:01pm
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Abby at Cornell Publications in Brighton, Michigan has reprints.  Excellent quality and rarely more than $20 apiece.
  

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Reply #28 - Aug 4th, 2014 at 10:19am
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It definitely qualifies up here as an antique:

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Reply #29 - Aug 4th, 2014 at 11:01am
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Thanks chris.
I hoping that Wes will agree.
He was the person who set up my layaway and is charge of handling the import/export process.
He seems to be absent often.   Worse case my brother in laws father lives in bc.  Hopefully I can ship it west should I run into problems with epps.
  
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Reply #30 - Aug 4th, 2014 at 1:28pm
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gunlaker wrote on Aug 4th, 2014 at 10:19am:
It definitely qualifies up here as an antique:

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I don't see anything in the link you posted that directly relates to this Stevens rifle? And although I'm fairly comfortable that this is a pre 1898 Stevens, I haven't seen anything that proves that either so far. Did I miss something here?
  

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Reply #31 - Aug 4th, 2014 at 2:18pm
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I was just trying to show that if the receiver style indicates it's pre-1898 and the bore is greater than or equal to 8.3mm ( .32 cal ) then up here, it's an antique.

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