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Jun 24th, 2014 at 5:44am
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I have not personally visited this exhibition at the National Firearms Museum, however, I believe the exhibit is located in Case No. 45 and will call ahead prior to making the trip after work one day soon.

The Maynard Model 1873 appears to be pristine and my main interest when combined with the J. Stevens rifle/s.

F.Y.I. see;

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Reply #1 - Jun 24th, 2014 at 7:25am
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That is one beautiful rifle, it makes mine look like a crow bar.

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Reply #2 - Jun 24th, 2014 at 7:41am
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Someone at the NRA museum needs to do better research. That is clearly an 1882 model Maynard. The next to last picture of it clearly shows the 1882 date on the right side of the action. It has the late 1882 hammer and firing pin. The extractor goes all the way to the chamber whereas on the '73 barrels the extractor stopped considerably short of the chamber as it only had to contact the large diameter rim of the 1873 style cartridge.
  
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Reply #3 - Jun 24th, 2014 at 10:39am
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C.M.M.  My son took me there about a month ago. Was a 6 hour round trip but was well worth it. Some of the rifles made my heart skip a beat. The Peterson collection was out of this world. Dale.
  

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Reply #4 - Jun 24th, 2014 at 1:39pm
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DWT--- Glad that the resource was available to you and your son and to those who shoot and collect.  The N.R.A. Headquarters was previously in D.C. and they ran out of space and wisely, in my opinion, did the right thing by getting out of the District while the getting was good. 

I haven't been to the Fairfax facility in years, but it's a short drive across the Key Bridge then down Route 50.  At rush hour I 60 is bumper to bumper out to Leesburg.

Thanks to John B. for his expertise on the model correction.  With his permission, I should bring the mis-identification of the Maynard rifle to the attention of the N.R.A. folks, if there is someone  there on duty later in the week.  I would really like for the N.R.A. to be in contact with John on the telephone so they (NRA) learn first hand about the Model correction that need to be made A.S.A.P.

Thanks for your correction John, they don't call you "Dead Eye-Bly" for no reason whatsoever.

Maynards rule

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Reply #5 - Jun 24th, 2014 at 3:39pm
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Thanks for posting the link!  Smiley
  
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Reply #6 - Jun 24th, 2014 at 5:07pm
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   Glad Timberman and Ron came along to visit, both loyal Maynard enthusiasts.

  I don't have an 1882, but would trade out my CPA 44 1/2 Stevens, if such an opportunity ever happened along.  Am I correct that the '82 hammer has a "turned down" (for lack of a better way of saying that) spur as opposed to the more straight up spur on the 1873 ?

I looked over at Larry Romano's web site knowing that he is/was offering the 1882 Model 15 & 16 reproduction rifles.  It appears to me as if Larry's photo of his 1882 has a '73 hammer.

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Am I incorrect about seeing a '73 hammer on Larry's 1882 ?


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Reply #7 - Jun 24th, 2014 at 5:26pm
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Creedmoormatch, I was also going to write the museum about the terrible hash they made of the 3 Stevens rifles not to mention the Winder Musket with the rare high wall low wall;-)
  
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Reply #8 - Jun 24th, 2014 at 6:39pm
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  One At A Time --- 

Thanks for mentioning the mis-information RE the three J.Stevens.

I wonder what gives with the NRA Museum ?

Sounds like more than a "Bad Hair" day.

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Reply #9 - Jun 24th, 2014 at 6:46pm
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Webb,
The hammer spur on the Romano-made M-1882 does look somewhat higher than an original....but that may just be because of the angle of his photograph...? There is a big difference between hammer spur angles of M-1882s and 1873s. On a M-1882, you can view both barrel sights with the hammer down - you cannot on a M-1873....you have to cock the hammer.
  
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Reply #10 - Jun 24th, 2014 at 7:27pm
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   Got it on the delta, 1873 vs. 1882 hammers and much appreciated info.

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Reply #11 - Jun 24th, 2014 at 8:05pm
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I wrote them and pointed several things out. We'll see what happens.
  
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Reply #12 - Jun 24th, 2014 at 9:10pm
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Some of the early 1882 models had the '73 style hammer with the high cocking spur. All the changes from the '73 to the '82 did not happen at one time. One problem with it was that at the exact instant that the rifle fired the shooters view was obscured by the hammer spur thereby making calling your shots difficult. The 1882 hammer spur basically kept the same shape but was rotated down approximately 1/2" giving the shooter a clear view. The new shape also reduced the moment of inertia giving a slightly faster lock time.
The spur breaks off on a lot of '73 guns but I've never seen this on an 1882 gun. Perhaps the steel was changed also or maybe the heat treatment.
  
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Reply #13 - Jun 25th, 2014 at 5:50am
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   The fascinations which the Maynard rifles hold for me was it's evolution as the vicissitudes came over the entire span of Mass. Arms' involvement .

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Reply #14 - Jun 25th, 2014 at 10:22am
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CCM

Your choice of words in your latest post sent me to the dictionary. It reminded me about reading the American Riflemen 50 years ago, not using every day words, but good words. Not what we see in the style of writing today.

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Reply #15 - Jun 25th, 2014 at 11:51am
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Following on from the last thread, I would suggest that English is not taught correctly any more. To illustrate this point I suggest you look here at a British political Comedy and see how the Civil Servants talk. Apart from that it is incredibly funny.
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Reply #16 - Jun 25th, 2014 at 12:13pm
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  Ron --
          Are you available to come to the August Columbia Schuetzenverein Matches at Thurmont, Maryland.  We would like to meet you in person and have the pleasure of your company on that three day week-end of August 01,02, and 03 (2014).  Not everyone has the time to devote for a three day visit and not everyone cares to stay for three days, so they pick and choose whatever length of time is right for them.

There is a dedicated camping area with electric and water hook ups that will accommodate a large size motor home, a pull behind, a pop-up, or a wall tent or doom tent.  A  short walk will take you to a shower room and flush toilets and there are never lines to get in.

If the drive for you may be lengthy, why not consider bringing a friend to share the driving.  If he or she may not be a shooter, the property is adjacent to a navigable water way for fishing, canoeing, or kayaking.

The club's web site is ;

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If I may help you with information about the Gettysburg battlefield or other attractions of interest close by, please feel free to send me a P.M. and I will either know or get the information to assist you.

Chris Christensen is our schuetzenmeister and a more knowledgeable fella you will not find who is willing to answer questions and share his knowledge of the shooting sports, gun collecting and machine work.  If you want to talk bullet lube, Chris is the "one stop" man to speak with.  Chris is a protege of Charlie Dell and he knows all of what Charlie did in the schuetzen game.

I make it my mini-vacation and again in October.

Thanks for listening

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Reply #17 - Jun 25th, 2014 at 6:18pm
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   Wanted to bring this really fine 1882 Maynard to your attention which clearly shows the '82 Hammer.

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And a Question for Deadeye Bly -- Have you ever had an occassion to send out a Maynard breech piece for case coloring, and if so would you mind giving a recommendation.

Also, were the original government contract carbines blued or case colored on the breech pieces?

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Reply #18 - Jun 25th, 2014 at 8:32pm
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CMM

Thanks for the invite to attend the Maynard gathering. Unfortunately I will not be able to attend, I will just have return home from working at the NRA Smallbore National Matched in Bristol IN. It would of been enjoyable to meet you and the other members the enjoy Maynard Rifles. Would you send me an address so that I could Google Map the range  for directions. 

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Reply #19 - Jun 25th, 2014 at 9:24pm
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Webb, I've never sent one out for color hardening. The civil war contract gun frames were case hardened for service and not for beautiful colors as is the tendency today.  This is what many of them looked like. Some had more colors of course. I don't like to make recommendations but I've used Classic Guns in Illinois and another that does not do it anymore. I think Classics colors are too gaudy and I may try Wyoming Armory on anything else.



  
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Reply #20 - Jun 26th, 2014 at 5:21am
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Thanks for the invite to attend the Maynard gathering. 

Would you send me an address so that I could Google Map the range  for directions. 

Thanks ron


Hi Ron  ---

The club property belongs to;

Thurmont Conservation and Sportsman's Club
11617 Hunt Club Road
Thurmont, Maryland 21788

I don't have a GPS reference to give you, but will try to get one for future use.

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The next match of C.S.V. after August, will be in October 2014.

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Reply #21 - Jun 26th, 2014 at 6:24am
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Thanks CMM for the address.

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Reply #22 - Jun 26th, 2014 at 7:41am
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Webb, here's another one. This one has more colors than the 1st one I posted. Each one was unique and the colors varied quite a bit.
  
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Reply #23 - Jun 26th, 2014 at 9:21am
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Thanks John, really nice work.

Just as an aside, have you ever wanted to convert a percussion action to a 1873 or 1882 central fire action by following the Mass Arms methods and procedures ?

Could that be done by keeping the existing female threads in the standing breech and machining a male adapter piece with a firing pin and retractor coils spring ?

I have an action to work with !   

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Reply #24 - Jun 26th, 2014 at 6:02pm
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Make it like a Snider setup.
  
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Reply #25 - Jun 26th, 2014 at 9:15pm
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Webb, that's not my work. Those are original guns, I just stole the pictures. and posted them to show you the original military finish you had asked about.

The way I see it the most difficult part about converting a percussion frame to a '73 or '82 would be cutting the square hole lengthwise thru the frame for the cocking lever. And, No I've never seriously considered converting one. I've always found '73 or '82 frames for my guns.

I've been asked to convert center-fire frames back to percussion also and I'm not interested in doing that either.
  
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