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44-40 Win with Accurate Powder
Jun 12th, 2014 at 5:12am
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Hello Gents,

i am just searching for a Load with AA# 7 or AA#9
for my .44 WCF  with 200 grs. RCBS Cast Bullet

have you got some advises

thx for input

Klaus
  
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Re: 44-40 Win with Accurate Powder
Reply #1 - Jun 12th, 2014 at 10:05am
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I've used up to 12 grs of #7 behind lead in my 38-40 Winchester High Wall. That may not be suitable for some of the weaker guns.  Some of the loads were OK for accuracy but rather dirty. Lots of unburned powder in the barrel ( and chamber ). Needs a bit more pressure to  burn clean. I wasn't interested in a HS load so discontinued the trial.  #9 would probably be worse.
Unique, 4756, Clays and black powder seem to be the way to go in the 44's twin the 38-40.
  
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Reply #2 - Jun 12th, 2014 at 12:06pm
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Dave Scovill has loads for those gunpowders and that RCBS bullet in his book, Loading the Peacemaker.

RCBS 44-200 FN
11.5gr. AA#7 - 794fps (7 1/2")
14.0gr AA#9 - 875fps     "

My 44-200 mould drops ~214gr. bullets with W-W alloy.
  
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Re: 44-40 Win with Accurate Powder
Reply #3 - Jun 12th, 2014 at 12:21pm
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I've had excellent accuracy with HP38 and the RCBS bullet.
  
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Reply #4 - Jun 13th, 2014 at 5:17am
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thx a lot for your answers

i was loading Hodgdon HS 6 the last years 
My load 8.8 - 9.5 grs  with very good results but HS6 was relative dirty and did not burn completely
HP 38 was my load  before but it seems to to fast because i got leading in the Chamber/ 1 cm of the bore.
So i gave AA# 5 with 7,5 grs a try. it had delivered a cleaner burn as Hodgon with good accuracy but unfortunately  it is a very fine granulated powder and left a lot of space between the upper level and the base of bullet.

Have you got any experiences with Red Dot ? 
it was  a fast powder i know but it shall be very bulky

Klaus 
  
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Reply #5 - Jun 13th, 2014 at 7:46am
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What kind of firearm do you have?
What type of load are you looking for? Target? SD/Hunting?

Some .44-40 rifles perform better with slower-burning gunpowders and warmer loads. My slide-action Rem. 14 1/2 seems to prefer "working" loads of 2400 and even IMR4227 with certain bullets - but those loads are not appropriate for certain actions. Sometimes I need to use magnum or rifle primers with certain firearm-gunpowder combinations.
  
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Reply #6 - Jun 13th, 2014 at 8:08am
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@xtimbermann
i was loooking for a target load up to 100 m
The Rifle is a 73 er Uberti Wiinchester 

Klaus
  
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Reply #7 - Jun 13th, 2014 at 8:23am
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Ken Waters has a nice .44-40 section in his "Pet Loads" compilation - some specifically for "Class 1" (weaker) actions...like a Navy Arms 1873 replica he was using. I don't have a copy, but you should be able to google around and get the data. I recall him using SR-7625, SR-4759, and Unique.....and some others in the '73s. Mild loads with AA#7 and AA#9 for any 1873 Winchester or Euro-clone are probably inappropriate. 

Wonder why HP-38 was leading? That gunpowder should be ideal for what you're wanting. Maybe an alloy or bullet sizing issue...?
  
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Reply #8 - Jun 13th, 2014 at 9:24am
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thx for this hint

i load 6,5 grs of HP 38 and get leading but with 8.8 or a bit more of HS 6 there was nothing in the bore
I use soft lead bullets the same alloy 1-20 as i use in my 45-70 BPCR   
Maybe the startingpressure with HP 38 are to much and the bullet bumped up to much 
But will try some loads with reduce loads (6 grs HP 38) for a new trial
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