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frnkeore Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 7611 Location: Central Point, OR 97502 Joined: Jun 16^th, 2010	Primer Spec's Jun 12^th, 2014 at 1:58am	Print Post
	I came across this info on another site. It seems to be researched well so, I thought I'd pass it on. PRIMER CHART & REFERENCE GUIDE Small Handgun Standard .017" cup thickness CCI 500 Federal 100 - Has a soft cup - good to use if hammer strike is light. Federal 100M - Match version of above Magtech PR-SP Magtech PR-SPC - Lead-free "Clean Range" primer for indoor ranges etc. Remington 1 ½ RWS 4031 Winchester WSP Wolf/Tula Small Pistol SP #KVB-9 - brass cup - "For Standard Pistol loads" Wolf/Tula Small Pistol #KVB-9SP - "For 9×19 NATO cartridges" Wolf/Tula Small Pistol #KVB-9S - "For Sporting Pistol loads" Small Handgun Magnum .017" cup thickness CCI 550 See Note 1 at the bottom of page Federal 200 Federal 200M - Match version of above Magtech PR-SPM Remington 5 ½ RWS 4047 Winchester WSPM Wolf/Tula Small Pistol Magnum SPM #KVB-9M - brass cup - "For Magnum Pistol loads" ___________________________________________________________ Large Handgun Standard .020" cup thickness CCI 300 Federal 150 - Has a thinner cup Magtech PR-LP Remington 2 ½ RWS 5337 Winchester WLP Wolf/Tula Large Pistol LP #KVB-45 - brass cup - "For Standard Pistol loads" Large Handgun Magnum .020" cup thickness CCI 350 Federal 155 Wolf/Tula Large Pistol Magnum LPM #KVB-45M - brass cup - For Magnum Pistol loads Cont.
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frnkeore Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 7611 Location: Central Point, OR 97502 Joined: Jun 16^th, 2010	Re: Primer Spec's Reply #1 - Jun 12^th, 2014 at 2:00am	Print Post
	Small Rifle Standard CCI 400 -thin .020" cup, not recommended for AR15 use by CCI/Speer. Good for .22 Hornet, .30 Carbine. See Note 1 at the bottom of the page CCI BR4 - match primer with a thicker .025" cup. Federal 205 - Mil-Spec cup thickness according to Federal - okay for 5.56mm. .0225" cup thickness. Federal 205M - same as the 205 but the match version. Magtech PR-SR - .025" cup thickness (not much feedback yet on this new primer as to AR15 suitability but with the same cup thickness as the Rem 7 1/2 it looks good so far) Remington 6 ½ - thin .020" cup, intended for older, lower pressure rounds Remington says do not use for the .223 Rem or other similar pressure rounds. Good for .22 Hornet, .30 Carbine. Remington 7 ½ BR - A match or "bench rest" primer. Lyman & Nosler classify this primer as a Standard. Remington says the compound is the same as the 6 1/2 but with a thicker .025" cup. RWS 4033 Winchester WSR - some piercing issues noted when changed from silver to brass cup. Cup thickness is a bit thinner at .021". Most say they are good to go for the AR15 despite that, probably because of the hardness of the cup. Some feel they are less resistant to higher pressures. Wolf/Tula Small Rifle SR #KVB-223 - soft, sensitive copper cup, not recommended for AR15/military rifle use or high pressure rounds. Cont.

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frnkeore Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 7611 Location: Central Point, OR 97502 Joined: Jun 16^th, 2010	Re: Primer Spec's Reply #2 - Jun 12^th, 2014 at 2:02am	Print Post
	Small Rifle Magnum CCI 450 - same thicker .025" cup as the BR4 and #41. CCI #41 - commercial version of the fully-qualified DOD primer for use in U.S. military ammo. With this primer there is more 'distance' between the tip of the anvil and the bottom of the cup than with other CCI SR primers. .025" thick cup. Same primer mix as CCI 450. Remington 7 ½ BR - A match or "bench rest" primer. Hornady, Handloads.com, and Chuck Hawks classify this primer as a Magnum, differing from other sources that classify it as a Standard. .025" cup thickness. Wolf/Tula Small Rifle Magnum SRM - hard, less sensitive brass cup intended for AR15/military rifle and high pressure rounds - #KVВ-5,56M. Wolf/Tula Small Rifle 223 SR223 - #KVB-223M "This is the newest primer available in the Wolf line. It is ever so slightly hotter than the small rifle magnum primer and it comes with a brass colored thick cup. This primer can be used in place of the SRM primer or used when a different powder is used that is hard to ignite." Cont.

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frnkeore Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 7611 Location: Central Point, OR 97502 Joined: Jun 16^th, 2010	Re: Primer Spec's Reply #3 - Jun 12^th, 2014 at 2:05am	Print Post
	Large Rifle Standard CCI 200 - mild in brisance. Hard enough for use in semi-automatics. CCI BR2 - same as the 200 but the match version. Hard enough for use in semi-automatics. Federal 210 - medium brisance between CCI/Remington & Winchester. Do not use in semi-automatics. Federal 210M - match version of the above primer. Do not use in semi-automatics. Magtech PR-LR Remington 9 ½ - mild in brisance. RWS 5341 Winchester WLR - the hottest standard primer. Hard enough for use in semi-automatics. Wolf/Tula Large Rifle LR #KVB-7 - all brass - "For Standard Rifle loads". Wolf/Tula Large Rifle #KVB-7,62 - "For 7,62 NATO cartridges" Wolf/Tula primers are used by noted match shooter David Tubbs who says: "Be sure they are seated into the case - if not they can be hard to ignite. Russian primers use a different sinoxide compound (closer to the European type), which, in my testing, consistently delivers better extreme spreads over Federal..." Hard enough for use in semi-automatics. Large Rifle Magnum CCI 250 CCI #34 - commercial version of the fully-qualified DOD primer for use in U.S. military ammo. Federal 215 - original magnum primer Remington 9 ½ M - mildest magnum primer. RWS 5333 Winchester WLRM Wolf/Tula Large Rifle Magnum LRM #KVB-7M - all brass - "For Magnum Rifle loads". Cont.

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frnkeore Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 7611 Location: Central Point, OR 97502 Joined: Jun 16^th, 2010	Re: Primer Spec's Reply #4 - Jun 12^th, 2014 at 2:06am	Print Post
	Primers recommended for use in .223 Rem/5.56 semiautomatic rifle loads: CCI #41, 450, BR4 (#41 & 450 good with ball powder) Federal 205, 205M Remington 7 1/2 BR (good with ball powder) Winchester WSR (good with ball powder) Wolf SRM (good with ball powder) Wolf SR223 (hotter than SRM - great with ball powder) Primers recommended for use in .308 Win/7.62x51/7.62x39 semiautomatic rifle loads: CCI #34, 200, BR2, CCI 250 Winchester WLR, WLRM (good with ball powder) Wolf LR WOLF/TULA PRIMER APPLICATION CHART FOR ALL PRIMERS - (You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links) and Tula are two of the common U.S. marketing names of primers made by Murom (OJSC «Murom Apparatus Producing plant» "For many years, our constant partners are «The Tula Cartridge Works», «Barnaul Cartridge Plant» and others."). _____________________________________________________________ NOTE 1: According to Speer/CCI Technical Services - Both the CCI 550 Small Pistol Magnum and CCI 400 Small Rifle primers are identical in size. Both primers use the same cup metal and share the same cup thickness. Both primers use the same primer compound formula and same amount of primer compound. They can be used interchangeably. The End

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Chickenthief Junior Member Offline Posts: 81 Location: Here Joined: Aug 5^th, 2013	Re: Primer Spec's Reply #5 - Jun 13^th, 2014 at 5:38pm	Print Post
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John Boy Ex Member	Re: Primer Spec's Reply #6 - Jun 13^th, 2014 at 8:01pm	Print Post
	04 January 2014 Update: Test Procedure: Using a Lee Hardness Tester that measures Brinell hardness, placed a new primer on a piece of steel. Held the indent ball on the primer for 30 seconds. Measurement is the diameter of the indent, smaller numbers indication harder brass Additions = * Pistol Primers 0.32 – CCI 300 LP 0.38 – Federal GM150 Match LP 0.40 – Federal 155 LP Magnum 0.40 – Winchester WLP 0.42 – Federal 150 LP 0.42 - Federal 100 SP 0.42 – Remington 1 ½ SP 0.44 – CCI 400 SP 0.48 – Remington 2 ½ LP 0.48 – CCI LP Lot 0264 Rifle Primers 0.24 – Herters 120 LR 0.26 – CCI BR-2 LR 0.28 – CCI 200 LR 0.30 – Rem UMC Nickeled High Pressure LR 0.32 – Federal 215 LR Magnum 0.34 – Remington 9 ½ LR 0.36 – Western 8 ½ LR 0.38 - Rem 7 ½ Bench Rest 0.38 – Alcan LR Magnum 0.40 – Federal 210 LR 0.40 – Winchester 115 Staynless LR 0.30 - Dynamit AG cal 6.34 * 0.32 - Dynamit AG cal 4.5 Note: Rifle primers are harder than handgun primers! All Lot Numbers were not recorded


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John Boy Ex Member	Re: Primer Spec's Reply #7 - Jun 13^th, 2014 at 8:05pm	Print Post
	Primer Flash Test Photos (You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links) The softer the flash the less brisance


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frnkeore Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 7611 Location: Central Point, OR 97502 Joined: Jun 16^th, 2010	Re: Primer Spec's Reply #8 - Jun 13^th, 2014 at 9:36pm	Print Post
	There is lots of good info here. Maybe it could be made a sticky? Frank

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shovel80 Oldtimer Offline Posts: 896 Location: Sonora,CA Joined: Jun 6^th, 2011	Re: Primer Spec's Reply #9 - Jun 13^th, 2014 at 10:32pm	Print Post
	frnkeore wrote on Jun 13^th, 2014 at 9:36pm: There is lots of good info here. Maybe it could be made a sticky? Frank Great Idea! Terry

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Chickenthief Junior Member Offline Posts: 81 Location: Here Joined: Aug 5^th, 2013	Re: Primer Spec's Reply #10 - Jun 14^th, 2014 at 3:41pm	Print Post
	Berdan primers (You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links)


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