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uscra112 Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 4079 Location: Switzerland of Ohio Joined: May 7^th, 2007	Re: Dating Stevens Model 44 Reply #60 - May 8^th, 2019 at 6:55pm	Print Post
	cheatin_charlie wrote on May 8^th, 2019 at 4:18pm: Just bought a Model 44 in 22lr at auction about a month ago. Serial # 72973. Looks like a capitol I in a circle stamped into action. Side of action stamped "Trade Mark Stevens". Barrel stamped J. Stevens Arms Co. Good shooting rifle with terrible trigger. It has the newer case hardening not the Stevens ripple type. Does your 44 by any chance have the coil-spring strut for the hammer? I know the 417 had that, but wondering if it was introduced earlier. The old flat "arch" spring gave a slower hammer fall, but I find it easier to get a good trigger pull with it.
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cheatin_charlie Senior Forum Member Offline Posts: 357 Location: ohio Joined: Jan 10^th, 2009	Re: Dating Stevens Model 44 Reply #61 - May 8^th, 2019 at 8:57pm	Print Post
	It has the flat main spring in it. Off to the gunsmith tomorrow to get the trigger worked on. My gauge only goes to 6.5 lbs. and the hammer still did not fall. No hair trigger for sure!


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uscra112 Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 4079 Location: Switzerland of Ohio Joined: May 7^th, 2007	Re: Dating Stevens Model 44 Reply #62 - May 8^th, 2019 at 9:31pm	Print Post
	That's BAD for a 44. May be that the wear is thru the case hardening of the hammer notch.

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oneatatime Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 3871 Location: Rocky Mountains Joined: Oct 30^th, 2011	Re: Dating Stevens Model 44 Reply #63 - May 9^th, 2019 at 12:33am	Print Post
	I believe someone on the list has a very late 44 with a coil spring.


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uscra112 Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 4079 Location: Switzerland of Ohio Joined: May 7^th, 2007	Re: Dating Stevens Model 44 Reply #64 - May 10^th, 2019 at 2:42am	Print Post
	Wow, that's WAY up there in the s/n sequence if that number is being reported correctly!

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uscra112 Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 4079 Location: Switzerland of Ohio Joined: May 7^th, 2007	Re: Dating Stevens Model 44 Reply #65 - May 10^th, 2019 at 2:57am	Print Post
	cheatin_charlie wrote on May 8^th, 2019 at 4:18pm: Just bought a Model 44 in 22lr at auction about a month ago. Serial # 72973. Looks like a capitol I in a circle stamped into action. Side of action stamped "Trade Mark Stevens". Barrel stamped J. Stevens Arms Co. Good shooting rifle with terrible trigger. It has the newer case hardening not the Stevens ripple type. What is the barrel rollstamp? J.Stevens A&T, or just J Stevens Arms? That number is right on the break in my database. And what sights does it have? Phil

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cheatin_charlie Senior Forum Member Offline Posts: 357 Location: ohio Joined: Jan 10^th, 2009	Re: Dating Stevens Model 44 Reply #66 - May 10^th, 2019 at 8:32am	Print Post
	Barrel reads "J. Stevens Arms Co", the rifle is at the gunsmith for trigger work. Barrel sights are Lyman No. 5 front and Lyman No. 6 rear. Two dollar upgrade of sights for a ten dollar rifle of the day according to my reprinted Stevens cat. 52. serial no. is correct 72973.


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uscra112 Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 4079 Location: Switzerland of Ohio Joined: May 7^th, 2007	Re: Dating Stevens Model 44 Reply #67 - May 10^th, 2019 at 11:01am	Print Post
	Thanks!

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LarryLee Participating Member Offline Posts: 47 Joined: Aug 23^rd, 2018	Re: Dating Stevens Model 44 Reply #68 - May 20^th, 2019 at 1:45pm	Print Post
	Phil, I am really happy to see a serial number study being done. Look forward to even a teaser publication. Add #35860 25-20SS J. Stevens Arms Company, 6 O'clock, if it matters. Plain Jane with my apologies to any Janes out there - no offense! Wayne


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uscra112 Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 4079 Location: Switzerland of Ohio Joined: May 7^th, 2007	Re: Dating Stevens Model 44 Reply #69 - May 20^th, 2019 at 4:54pm	Print Post
	LarryLee wrote on May 20^th, 2019 at 1:45pm: Phil, I am really happy to see a serial number study being done. Look forward to even a teaser publication. Add #35860 25-20SS J. Stevens Arms Company, 6 O'clock, if it matters. Plain Jane with my apologies to any Janes out there - no offense! Wayne Thanks, Wayne. Actually yours is interesting. That's the lowest s/n yet which has the J. Stevens Arms Company barrel rollstamp. This would help define where in the s/n sequence the manufacture was taken over by Savage, save that there are many more of later s/n that bear the old J. Stevens A & T Co. stamp. My surmise is that you have a replacement barrel there. Whenever a 44 received a new factory barrel, they would have stamped the original s/n on the new barrel, since barrels do not interchange from one receiver to another.

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Smitty Participating Member Offline Posts: 22 Location: Poquoson, Va Joined: Mar 23^rd, 2008	Re: Dating Stevens Model 44 Reply #70 - Jun 20^th, 2019 at 5:54pm	Print Post
	My model 44; j.stevens A. &T. CO pat. APR.17.94 32LONG R.F. with upgraded sights f&r, sn; 13781 tight and in pristine condition. what year made?


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uscra112 Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 4079 Location: Switzerland of Ohio Joined: May 7^th, 2007	Re: Dating Stevens Model 44 Reply #71 - Jun 20^th, 2019 at 7:50pm	Print Post
	It will have the 7:00 extractor, and the breechblock and lever pivot screws will be .288 diameter, more or less. Model 44s start in 1896, at about s/n 3000, and the last of the side extractors with one-piece screw pivots falls at about s/n 14500. We think that the change to the two-piece pivots occurred in 1899 or 1900, based vaguely on catalogue references. So 13781 would likely be 1898 or 1899. Can't be more precise than that. Phil
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uscra112 Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 4079 Location: Switzerland of Ohio Joined: May 7^th, 2007	Re: Dating Stevens Model 44 Reply #72 - Jun 20^th, 2019 at 8:02pm	Print Post
	Jack Harrison, who posts here and on Gunbroker as >tenmile<, sells adapter cases and the correct heeled bullets to make your .32 Rimfire speak again in her native tongue. He suggests Level 1 or Level 2 Ramset charges as propellant, but I much prefer to use "Acorn Blanks" as primer and 2.0 grains of Bullseye. The effort required to remove the Ramset cases is enough IMHO to shorten the life of the adapters. (You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links) (You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links) n.b. Jack's adapters are made by swaging down .32 S&W Long brass. As such they are longer than .32 RF, and so must be trimmed to length to fit your rifle.
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SSShooter Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 2917 Location: Southern NJ Joined: Aug 1^st, 2010	Re: Dating Stevens Model 44 Reply #73 - Jul 17^th, 2019 at 8:21am	Print Post
	Any guess on when my 44 in 22LR, s/n 69762, might have been made?

	Glenn - 2x CPA 44 1/2 w/22LR (Shilen ratchet-rifled & Bartlein 5R rifled), 38-40RH & 38-55WCF (Bartlein 5R rifled) & 40-65WCF (GrnMtn 'X') barrels
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uscra112 Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 4079 Location: Switzerland of Ohio Joined: May 7^th, 2007	Re: Dating Stevens Model 44 Reply #74 - Jul 17^th, 2019 at 9:49am	Print Post
	It would be after Savage had bought Stevens from Westinghouse in 1920, because it has the diamond rollstamp on the left side. The lowest s/n I have logged with that feature is 69603, but the highest without the diamond is 67866. Significant gap there that I wish I could fill. Also it's not certain that the diamond exactly coincides with the Savage takeover. Best SWAG would be 1921, plus or minus a year or two. The barrel rollstamp is not a good indicator of date, btw. I have logged barrels with the 1894 pattern "Arms & Tool" legend up into the 70,000 range, mixed in with the later "J Stevens Arms" rollstamp. Looks like they were using up pre-war barrels for quite some time into the '20s.
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