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Reply #135 - Sep 25th, 2020 at 7:48am
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I've seen the Stevens trade mark roll stamp on 44 1/2 rifles,although I don't own one marked as such.

Any guesstimate to how many 44's were made by Savage from 1920 to the end of production in the 1930's?
  
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Reply #136 - Sep 25th, 2020 at 12:33pm
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Sure shot, believe this is the best information relating to your post ... (You need to Login or Register to view media files and links)
  
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Reply #137 - Sep 25th, 2020 at 1:49pm
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I note with interest that my database had some 40 entries back in June of 2014.  It is now 288 as of this morning. Have I really been at this for six years?   

  

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Reply #138 - Sep 25th, 2020 at 8:09pm
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Interesting. My next question was going to be do we have any indications of production volume changes over time, and you have answered that question before I asked it. Thank you. I'll run a few numbers and see if anything pops out at me.

Yeah, you're right, "controlled chaos" is a polite term to describe major manufacturing change overs. They did maintain some capacity for mfg commercial guns during the war didn't they?
  
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Reply #139 - Sep 30th, 2020 at 3:58pm
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uscra112 wrote on Sep 25th, 2020 at 7:20am:
From the end of the war until Savage took over Stevens was still owned by Westinghouse, who would have had no use for the company since the opportunity for war profiteering had vanished. What may have gone on in that year of 1919 is anybody's guess, but it must have been somewhat chaotic, what with converting all the machinery and tooling back to civilian production.** I want to think that in that interim someone commissioned that rare rollstamp, perhaps thinking of a future which never came to pass.  After 1920 it was discarded, perhaps at the behest of the new Savage management.  

Would be interesting to learn how Stevens shotguns were marked in that period.  

**I've been in the thick of it when GM and Ford powertrain plants have retooled.  It's still a case of managed chaos, and it takes as much as a year to accomplish!  

As the data fills in, I'm now pretty sure that the period from 1903 to 1915 was boom times for the 44 family.  It looks as if they built about 50,000 rifles in that 12 year span.  Compare to about 15,000 in the seven years from 1896 to 1903.


But my 44/47 in .28-30 (already in your list) has a SN higher than 20,000 and it was made in 1903 or earlier.
  
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Reply #140 - Sep 30th, 2020 at 5:17pm
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The barrel on my 44 is numbered 21271. It is a 28/30. Just a thought but what do you think would have happened if someone special ordered a 44 1n 28/30 after 1903 ?
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Reply #141 - Sep 30th, 2020 at 5:23pm
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My 44 .22-15-60 has a serial #in the 55,000 range,which seems odd to me being that high of a serial #.
  
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Reply #142 - Sep 30th, 2020 at 5:33pm
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*sigh*  Just to roil the waters a little further:  There's a bitzsa 44 1/2 on Gunbroker today that has the Trade Mark STEVENS rollstamp on the barrel, and we know that IT can't be later than 1916.  Barrel s/n is 11952. (Frame is 1045)  

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BTW look at the frame pics.  Looks like Parkenfarker welded up the hole for the .22 rimfire ejector screw.    What do you think?
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Reply #143 - Sep 30th, 2020 at 5:37pm
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It's long been known that Stevens would do anything for money.  I've got maybe half a dozen that are chambered for something they shouldn't be.  

That said, 21271 is well before the 1903 cutoff of large centerfires.  I have .32-40s as high as 30899.  

BTW scharfe, I haven't logged what sights are on yours. 
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Reply #144 - Sep 30th, 2020 at 5:53pm
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uscra112 wrote on Sep 30th, 2020 at 5:33pm:
Just to roil the waters a little further:  There's a bitzsa 44 1/2 on Gunbroker today that has the Trade Mark STEVENS rollstamp on the barrel, and we know that IT can't be later than 1916.  Barrel s/n is 11952. (Frame is 1045)  

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BTW look at the frame pics.  Looks like Parkenfarker welded up the hole for the .22 rimfire ejector screw.    What do you think?


Too bad that someone ruined that rifle,it would look better rusty. Over polished, edges rounded over,and blued over pitting. Why would they weld up the ejector screw holes on the sides of the frame?Plus the serial numbers don't match on the barrel and frame.
  
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Reply #145 - Sep 30th, 2020 at 5:53pm
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**sigh**sigh**   I see I've made another unforced error.  I wrote 1903 to 1915 in post #134 when I should have written 1900 to 1915. 

  

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Reply #146 - Oct 1st, 2020 at 10:54am
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My rifle is a refinished "mutt". But I love it still. I just have to find cases now.
  
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Reply #147 - Oct 1st, 2020 at 12:05pm
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scharfe, Pretty good looking mutt!
  

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Reply #148 - Oct 8th, 2020 at 12:38am
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Do you have many 28/30's in your data base ?   
21271 is the barrel #
  
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Reply #149 - Oct 8th, 2020 at 2:39am
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I have six 44 rifles logged, two of which are of such a low s/n that the original rifle was certainly made years before the cartridge was introduced in 1900!  T'would seem that the .28-30 was popular enough that some people sent their rifles in to be rebarreled.  I also possess a .28-30 barrel from a 44 that has been sleeved to fit on a Ballard action. Metalwork done, been waiting over a year for me to find the correct buttplate and a decent forend. *sigh*
  

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