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Re: Dating Stevens Model 44
Reply #90 - Dec 18th, 2019 at 10:28pm
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Thanks!  I can infer some of the features it will have, but would be good know:

1. Sights?  Standard was Sporting Rear w/Rocky Mountain front, but as an option we often find a Lyman tang sight and Beach style front.  

2. Half-round half-octagon barrel, or all-round?

3. What is barrel roll-stamp?  Either J. Stevens Arms and Tool, or just J. Stevens Arms?  In that s/n range it could be either one. 

4. Is receiver stamped on left side with Stevens inside a diamond outline?  This is close to the s/n where that marking first appears, but it should in fact not have it if it runs true to form.

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Re: Dating Stevens Model 44
Reply #91 - Dec 19th, 2019 at 8:53am
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Sadly there were no sights on the rifle when purchased. The barrel is half and half 26 inches long. The roll stamp just has the word Stevens. The reciever has no markings other than the serial number which matches the barrel.
Rifle had been lined with a red man liner, chambered to .22 lr. Sadly the liner is for a .22 short. It has now re built as a .22 lr, sporting a 26 inch Green Mtn barrel and new stock. This 44 was my introduction into the world of falling blocks. Started the disease with no cure.

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Reply #92 - Dec 19th, 2019 at 9:09pm
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Yup.  I started with one dilapidated 44 just to practice gunsmithing on, now I've got a baker's dozen!   Shocked
  
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Reply #93 - Dec 19th, 2019 at 10:06pm
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FYI I have a Stevens 44, #77992, 25 RF, 26" round barrel, sporting rear sight, folding combination front, rear tang drilled with two small holes for tang sight but never had one mounted, case colored action, 6 o'clock extractor, I in circle on left rear of barrel and on left side of receiver, Stevens on left side of receiver but no outline, J. Stevens Arms Company on barrel, "S" and "O" on front of receiver.  Rifle is in excellent original condition and bore is like new.  Any other information I can give let me know.  Thanks, Wally Smith
  
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Re: Dating Stevens Model 44
Reply #94 - Dec 20th, 2019 at 12:27am
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Thanks!  

Do you know how to slug a barrel?  I'm interested in knowing the groove diameter.  There's been controversy over whether the .25 rimfires are .257 nominal or something smaller.  

Also a photo of the receiver would be nice.  Not long before this one, Stevens seems to have changed the case color process so that the old distinctive "ripple" pattern is replaced with a more mottled appearance.  I'm tracking that.


 
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Reply #95 - Feb 12th, 2020 at 10:05pm
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I have a Stevens Model 47, but not the "range rifle", with a 44 action. The lever is not the common style and not the loop.  But the barrel is marked with the conventional Stevens stamps, SN on barrel is the same as SN on action.  Barrel is marked 25/20, standard Stevens markings.  But the groove diameter is .251 and the twist is 1:17.  Front of action is marked 47 and EX, as well as the mysterious 0s.
  
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Reply #96 - Feb 12th, 2020 at 11:53pm
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Adds fuel to the argument over what the bullet diameter of the Stevens .25 rimfire was.  Some (including Barnes) claim it was .251, but in my collection of Favorites and 44s they all slug around .256 to .258.   

The .251 faction will claim that your barrel was a rimfire blank that somehow got chambered .25-20.   

What's your s/n?  Do I have it in my database?  Do I have pictures?   

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Reply #97 - Feb 13th, 2020 at 8:11pm
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uscra112 wrote on Feb 12th, 2020 at 11:53pm:
Adds fuel to the argument over what the bullet diameter of the Stevens .25 rimfire was.  Some (including Barnes) claim it was .251, but in my collection of Favorites and 44s they all slug around .256 to .258.  

The .251 faction will claim that your barrel was a rimfire blank that somehow got chambered .25-20.  

What's your s/n?  Do I have it in my database?  Do I have pictures?  

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You already have the rifle in your database.

I' one of the .251 faction.  I think it is just an example of sloppy work & poor supervision at Stevens A&T, not a special order.  I think the EX was for a better-than-average stock & buttplate and a non-standard lever.
  
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Reply #98 - Feb 13th, 2020 at 11:44pm
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Other people, including myself, have argued that "EX" does indeed imply that the rifle has non-cataloged features for its model number.  UNFORTUNATELY, "EX" has also been reported on this forum to be found on rifles that exactly match their catalog description.  I believer the expression is "Go figure!"

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Re: Dating Stevens Model 44
Reply #99 - Jun 26th, 2020 at 4:52pm
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I have a couple of Stevens 44 that may be of interest.

A coilspring action with a full round barrel in .22lr.
#76437. It has a checkered trigger,I thought the trigger checkering was custom,but I've seen another late model 44 with the same checkered trigger.

I have a 44 A&T rifle in .22-15-60,with a higher serial number than you would think at #55144.
  
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Reply #100 - Jun 26th, 2020 at 5:02pm
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Another pic of the .22-15.
  
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Reply #101 - Jun 26th, 2020 at 5:08pm
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Another pic.
  
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Reply #102 - Jun 26th, 2020 at 5:11pm
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Another picture,as a newbie I am trying to figure out how to post pictures,but I'm getting there. Grin
  
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Re: Dating Stevens Model 44
Reply #103 - Jun 26th, 2020 at 6:07pm
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Both are interesting.   That's the first .22-15 I've logged.  s/n puts it prior to the Savage takeover, probably pre-WW1 shutdown. Barrel rollstamp should be the Stevens A&T style, not the J. Stevens Arms version.

The .22 is well after the Savage period starts. Only 44 I have logged that's known to be a coil spring, like the 417.  Unless it's been modified to 417 spec, the number suggests that there's a lot more of those than I thought.  Should have the Stevens stamp on the left side of the receiver, and the barrel rollstamp the later J.Stevens Arms style.   

In both cases, what sights are fitted?
  
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Re: Dating Stevens Model 44
Reply #104 - Jun 26th, 2020 at 6:59pm
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The .22-15 has the standard sporting rear and Rocky mountain front sight. It has of course,a 6 o'clock extractor,and lever and breech block pivots. It also has an excellent bore.

The .22 LR does have the trademark Stevens stamping on the left side of the frame. I've owned this rifle a long time,bought It at a gun show. No sights,it had a Stevens 368 scope.Unfortunately, the barrel was shortened to 20",and was turned down to reduce weight,and the entire rifle re-blued. Yes,the frame had turned that lovely purple color. It now sports new wood with a 404 style forearm. I've also had a new 26"barrel made,and I had CPA color case harden to frame and lever in the ripple pattern. I now know that is incorrect for a Savage made Stevens.
When I have more time tomorrow,I'll remove the stock and take some pictures of the mainspring and post them.
  
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