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John Boy Ex Member	Is 25 Hornet a Dirty Word in Reloading Manuals? Jun 6^th, 2014 at 2:58pm	Print Post
	Though I do have data for the caliber, believe it was 5 manuals that I went through looking for 'published' data ... NADA except one - Cartridge Conversions and that was from an author of a article Purpose for the search: modified the firing pin and a new main spring for the '94 Favorite 25 Stevens "CF"and wanted to reload a box to see how the rifle shoots fitted out with a Pope 200yd rear and a MVA Beach front sight


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uscra112 Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 4079 Location: Switzerland of Ohio Joined: May 7^th, 2007	Re: Is 25 Hornet a Dirty Word in Reloading Manuals? Reply #1 - Jun 6^th, 2014 at 3:13pm	Print Post
	From all that I've read, the .25 Hornet wasn't a very successful wildcat. And I'd be very, very leery of shooting that in a Favorite. For one thing, the .25 Favorite barrel is .250 groove diameter, for the rimfire cartridge. There never was a centerfire Favorite.

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40_Rod Frequent Elocutionist Offline Extremism in the persuit of accuracy is not a vice Posts: 4285 Location: Knoxville, TN Joined: Apr 20^th, 2004	Re: Is 25 Hornet a Dirty Word in Reloading Manuals? Reply #2 - Jun 6^th, 2014 at 4:43pm	Print Post
	Try using loads for 25-21 Stevens drop 10% and work back up 40 Rod


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uscra112 Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 4079 Location: Switzerland of Ohio Joined: May 7^th, 2007	Re: Is 25 Hornet a Dirty Word in Reloading Manuals? Reply #3 - Jun 6^th, 2014 at 6:22pm	Print Post
	40_Rod wrote on Jun 6^th, 2014 at 4:43pm: Try using loads for 25-21 Stevens drop 10% and work back up 40 Rod NOooooo! The .25 Hornet has 16.5 grains water case capacity, the .25-21 has 24 grains! Even at 10% reduction, pressure will be more than double, per a quick run through Quickload.

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FITZ Oldtimer Offline REGARDS Posts: 917 Location: MASSACHUSETTS Joined: Apr 16^th, 2004	Re: Is 25 Hornet a Dirty Word in Reloading Manuals? Reply #4 - Jun 6^th, 2014 at 7:34pm	Print Post
	I would be suprised to see anyone publish loads for a Wildcat of recent creation that could lead to building it in a action of dubious strength. I do know of a M70 winchester that was basicly demolished by a 22K Hornet with a load of I know not what. I had tested the Rifle for the Gunsmith that did the conversion with surplus GI Hornet ammo and it funtioned well with a few split cases which is to be expected when fire forming new brass. When the rifle was damaged it had vented into the bolt and down thru the magazine and blew the floorplate and magazine stuff right out of the Gun. It also split the stock all the way to the forend tip and back to the toe of the Buttstock. Now this will show what can be done with improper loads of some very fast powders. HTH, Regards FITZ.

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John Boy Ex Member	Re: Is 25 Hornet a Dirty Word in Reloading Manuals? Reply #5 - Jun 6^th, 2014 at 8:10pm	Print Post
	Here's the game plan for the '94 Stevens using 22 Hornet, reformed to 25 Hornet: * 67gr 25-20 bullet resized to 255, 1:20 (Cerosafe groove 252) * Load the 25 Stevens RF black powder charge ... 10 to 11gr FFg ... should be in 1100-1150 fps range * Chronograph the 10 and 11 gr reloads * Using a down charge of 5gr Unique - match the black powder velocity with a velocity less than 1200


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uscra112 Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 4079 Location: Switzerland of Ohio Joined: May 7^th, 2007	Re: Is 25 Hornet a Dirty Word in Reloading Manuals? Reply #6 - Jun 6^th, 2014 at 9:14pm	Print Post
	John, I think you're letting yourself in for trouble. 5 grains of Unique with that bullet, and assuming breech seated to keep pressure down, you are still going to get 20,000+ psi pressure (per Quickload), operating on a much larger case head area than the .22 rimfire. If you insist on this, at least do the "tie-it-to-a-tire" routine. Don't get me wrong on this. I'm a dedicated fan of the Stevens 44/Favorite action. Aside from my one Favorite, I have a half a dozen Model 44s, and just bought another one today. That load would be fine in a Model 44, but the little Favorite is far weaker. I'd give even odds that you will damage your Favorite action in the first dozen shots, if not before. Phil

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frnkeore Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 7611 Location: Central Point, OR 97502 Joined: Jun 16^th, 2010	Re: Is 25 Hornet a Dirty Word in Reloading Manuals? Reply #7 - Jun 7^th, 2014 at 12:52am	Print Post
	5 gr Unique will be much to high a starting load. I used to have a "Baby" RB (#2 size) in 25/20 Win and 4.5 gr of Unique gave me 1515 fps with a 73 gr (257420 PB) in just a 21" barrel. Your smaller groove size, will raise pressures a even higher. Unique might be a good powder for that application but, don't start above 3 gr (2.5 would be better) and I would hold my velocity to 950 - 1100 fps. Frank

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waterman Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 2995 Location: Behind the Redwood Curtain Joined: Jun 9^th, 2004	Re: Is 25 Hornet a Dirty Word in Reloading Manuals? Reply #8 - Jun 7^th, 2014 at 4:51pm	Print Post
	I have a Stevens Model 47 on a 44 action. The barrel, probably a #3, is marked 25-20. But it is a .25 rimfire barrel. with a .251 groove diameter and a 17" twist. It is chambered for .25-20 Stevens Single Shot. It shoots the lighter bullets OK, but 5.0 grains of Unique blows primers & is way too hot for my Stevens 44 action. That said, if you find the Wolfe 2-volume paperback on Wildcat Cartridges, the volume where half of it is bound upside down, you will find a couple of articles on the .25 Hornet. IIRC, with cast bullets.


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bisaacson Full Member Offline Posts: 170 Location: Kailua Joined: Sep 1^st, 2009	Re: Is 25 Hornet a Dirty Word in Reloading Manuals? Reply #9 - Jun 7^th, 2014 at 5:25pm	Print Post
	When I was working up loads for the .25 Stevens RF with the 65 gr. bullet in a Marksman, 1/40 alloy, I was scaling .66 of .32 S&W BP pressure loads and calculated limits as follows: Bullseye - 1.6, Red Dot - 1.8, Green Dot - 1.8, TightGroup - 1.3, 231 - 1.6, Unique - 2.3, Blue Dot - 3.2, 7625 - 2.4, TrailBoss - 1.7. I got good results with Unique - 2.1, TrailBoss - 1.6, Green Dot - 1.6, Blue Dot - 3.1, so the gun was happy with the load and the alloy - didn't take much to be accurate with no signs of pressure (and a feeling of security behind the action) - nowhere near 5 gr. of Unique. The .25 Hornet is close in volume to the .25 Stevens RF, maybe a little larger, so a smidge (between a dash and a pinch) more powder would be OK, but BE CONSERVATIVE!


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uscra112 Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 4079 Location: Switzerland of Ohio Joined: May 7^th, 2007	Re: Is 25 Hornet a Dirty Word in Reloading Manuals? Reply #10 - Jun 7^th, 2014 at 5:26pm	Print Post
	And I've got a .257" groove barrel that came to me chambered for .25 Stevens RF ! What was going on back there in Chicopee Falls, anyway?

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slumlord44 Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 2850 Location: Lebanon, Illinois 62254 Joined: Dec 21^st, 2007	Re: Is 25 Hornet a Dirty Word in Reloading Manuals? Reply #11 - Jun 7^th, 2014 at 9:02pm	Print Post
	My 44 in .25 Stevens slugs out to .257-.258. I have no idea why. Anyone have a source for the 67 grain .25 bullets?


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JLouis Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 10625 Joined: Apr 8^th, 2009	Re: Is 25 Hornet a Dirty Word in Reloading Manuals?w Reply #12 - Jun 8^th, 2014 at 6:22pm	Print Post
	25 Hornet for breach seating competition work has won more than its fair share of 25 caliber matches in the hands of Dave Purcell and a few others. I know of no one shooting it with fixed. JLouis

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BP Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 8039 Location: Westside Joined: Aug 27^th, 2006	Re: Is 25 Hornet a Dirty Word in Reloading Manuals? Reply #13 - Jun 8^th, 2014 at 6:46pm	Print Post
	slumlord44 wrote on Jun 7^th, 2014 at 9:02pm: My 44 in .25 Stevens slugs out to .257-.258. I have no idea why. Anyone have a source for the 67 grain .25 bullets? I seem to recall the 67 grain weight listed as one of the available weights from the .25 cal Ideal Perfection mould.

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John Boy Ex Member	Re: Is 25 Hornet a Dirty Word in Reloading Manuals? Reply #14 - Jun 8^th, 2014 at 8:49pm	Print Post
	Phil - Frank ... I too am consensus and concerned keeping the pressure low in the Favorite. As I posted: Quote: Using a down charge of 5gr Unique the plan is to start with 1.5grs of Unique over the chronograph bisaacson - thanks for the down loaded recipes - options with TrailBoss based on the the Unique load comparable to the black powder velocity of 1100 to 1150 for the Stevens 25 rimfire


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