Are there any tricks to breech seating a lubed paper patched bullet? Thanks for your answer Hank45

Hank45,

Why on earth would you want to shoot a paper patched that have lubrication in the grooves? Such bullets are not meant to be paper patched. What happens is that the patches are more or less glued in place by the Lube and won't separate from the bullet on exiting the muzzle as they should. That's why the lube on a PP round of ammo was a lube cookie beneath the bullet.

I have examined scores of old PP ammo and have never found a GG bullet that was paper patched. Neither have I ever seen a factory round with the paper twisted into a tail and tucked into the hollow base of the bullet, there was at most a 1/8" turnover of the PP onto the base of the bullet and often less. A smooth lead bullet is far more efficient aerodynamically that any GG bullet, they carry further charge for charge than GG bullets and don't slow down as fast either.

It's worth noting that in the days of the Sharps Rifle Co., of all the bullets they produced they offered two or three PP bullets in any calibre they made for every single GG bullet.  Paper Patched bullets ruled the target ranges in the 1870's to 1900. They fell out of favour not because the GG shot better but it was more laborious to make a PP round than a GG one. Of late some shooters are going back to PP and they are starting to win matches with them.

Harry

Hank, I assume that you are talking smooth sided PP bullets, patched to bore size? if so I went thru the same thing years ago, even went so far as to find several ounces of sperm oil like the ODG's used, didn't seem to help, made the patch some what less likly to come off, dry without lube (in my experience) will give the most consistant results.  Dave.

Always keep your mind open.   I have seen paper patched factory ammunition with tails.  They were in cupped BP PP bullets from British sporting rifles.  It is also common with shooting PP British sporting rifles (for dangerous game) to shoot GG bullets that are paperpatched.  The grooves do not impact the release of the patch (the bullets and patch are dry).  The previous comment about using sperm oil to lube paper patch right before shooting is correct.  This spring I shot a Creedmoor match and tried using a jojoba oil patch down the bore before with a 45-100 PP loads.  The effect was very impressive.  The paper patches came off in the usual manner, while the velocity increased significantly. 

pardon my ignorance but what is a GG bullet, and I plan on lubing them at the bench. Thanks for your answers Hank45

Sam,

Sorry for the delayed response.  This approach is sort of a take off on the Remington reference to using sperm oil in days past.  When shooting PP bullets in long range competition, many of us wet patch the bore and then dry patch it.  As a third patch, using a jojoba oil patch seems to leave a very light oil in the bore, reducing friction and therefore increasing velocity.  Very detailed attention needs to be paid toward consistency of oil in the patch or velocity will then vary shot to shot.