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Jun 3rd, 2014 at 7:30am
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I am getting .32 cal. bullet castings (Hoch nose pour) which are .001-.002 undersized (base D.). Is this a result of  ...  or  ...  can this be affected by either the furnace temp. or the lead:tin  mix ratio? Thanks.
  

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Reply #1 - Jun 3rd, 2014 at 7:52am
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Well both actually

Higher tin or antimony will give you bigger but lighter bullets

running your lead temps high and or your mold temp low will throw undersize bullets. 

I preheat my mold in a home rigged oven of firebrick arranged around a hotplate. I put a thermometer in through the cracks in the brick and when it reads (500***) I know my first bullet will be a keeper. I try to keep my alloy at 700 to 720* for any lead/tin alloy

Hot mold/cool alloy will give you bigger bullets. In fact you can throw oversize bullets if you take this too far

Rattling the mold on a hard surface as you fill and cool will assist the alloy to fill out the mold

*** This thermometer is likely out of calibration but serves as a reference point for me. The key would be to work out your own details. Cast a bullet. If it has wrinkles bring the mold up another 50*
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Reply #2 - Jun 3rd, 2014 at 4:19pm
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Also holding the dipper longer on the sprue plate (with surplus lead in it) provides weight that forces more lead into the mould; filling it better and driving out air bubbles.
  
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Reply #3 - Jun 3rd, 2014 at 5:55pm
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Details: alloy, pot temperature, etc. would be helpful.

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Reply #4 - Jun 3rd, 2014 at 7:34pm
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25:1 "certified" from BACo, "indicated temp" 725-775 Lee pot. Dipped. Per bullet time cycle approx. 60 sec./per. bullet cast. (Pour,  set, knock off sprue, drop bullet, return sprue plate to position ................ pour, etc.)
  

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Reply #5 - Jun 3rd, 2014 at 8:09pm
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RayH wrote on Jun 3rd, 2014 at 7:30am:
I am getting .32 cal. bullet castings (Hoch nose pour) which are .001-.002 undersized (base D.). Is this a result of  ...  or  ...  can this be affected by either the furnace temp. or the lead:tin  mix ratio? Thanks.


Are the bullets undersized with respect to bullets that you've previously cast using another alloy or undersized with respect to the advertised size for the mould? 

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Reply #6 - Jun 3rd, 2014 at 9:12pm
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Undersized relative to the advertised size of the mould.
  

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Reply #7 - Jun 3rd, 2014 at 9:40pm
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There are some informative posts on the castboolits forum, as well as on here, on possible solutions to your problem.
  
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Reply #8 - Jun 3rd, 2014 at 9:46pm
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RayH wrote on Jun 3rd, 2014 at 9:12pm:
Undersized relative to the advertised size of the mould.


If the base band is nicely filled-out and the bullet looks good overall, chances are that the mould is just a wee bit out of spec.

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Reply #9 - Jun 3rd, 2014 at 11:05pm
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I have a .32 Hoch mould like that.  It's a bit undersized.

Are your bullets' grease grooves well filled out?  I have to run my Hoch nose pour moulds hot and fast to get good fill out.   

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Reply #10 - Jun 3rd, 2014 at 11:15pm
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Had a .322-200 Hoch Mould once that was a .001 under. Not much you can do about it short of opening up the baseband. I guess the more important question is how does it shoot?

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Reply #11 - Jun 4th, 2014 at 5:39am
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JLouis (re.: How does it shoot?) Not outstanding one way or the other. When breechseating to 1/16" with my Weber tool, there is virtually no felt resistance and when removed from the barrel, there is virtually no visible engraving. Performance is less than comparable to that of my "Darr style" Hoch, base pour .322-205 tapered spitzer, with 3 lube grooves,  obtained from CPA at the time of my purchase of the rifle; and also, that of a Mos .322-.323D. 205 base pour spitzer.

Now, the rest of the story - The mold was a Hoch .322-200 nose pour from Midway. At the suggestion of Midway, I returned the mold to them stating my problem and including several bullets cast from that mold. They, with no questions asked, have shipped to me a brand new replacement mold. Being somewhat concerned that I, not the mold, was the problem, I made my original inquiry to this forum. When the new mold arrives, I intend to test it at a variety of casting temperatures, using my standard 25:1 "certified" mix from BACo. (My normal casting temp. is an indicated 725 & 775.) I have the highest praise for Midway and the manner in which they handle their business and I again thank my fellow shooters for your help both here and on the range. I remain confident that my best results are yet to come.


  

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Reply #12 - Jun 4th, 2014 at 7:39am
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Interesting

Well the only thing further I'd suggest is as you are using a certified 25:1 then check your thermometer accuracy. As 25:1 will be exactly 595*F as it passes through the slush point.  Then you will know where you are in that respect
  

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Reply #13 - Jun 4th, 2014 at 9:08am
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Do a shrinkage calculation ...Alloy shrinkage of cast bullets on ...
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My casting combinations where perfect filled out bullets drop are:
* Clean mold
* Pot and mold temperature where
** After a 5 second ladle pour with the spout stuffed in the sprue hole - the sprue puddle frosts in 5 second (8-10 seconds for heavier bullets in the 500gr range)
* Constant rhythm 
And hold the pot temperature constant to have a bell curve of small bullet weight variances
  
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