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uscra112 Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 4079 Location: Switzerland of Ohio Joined: May 7^th, 2007	Stevens New Ideal (model 44) in .38-55 May 31^st, 2014 at 12:09am	Print Post
	Probably 1895. I can't afford it, but maybe somebody else here can.... (You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links)

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kensmachine Oldtimer Offline Posts: 574 Joined: Nov 21^st, 2012	Re: Stevens New Ideal (model 44) in .38-55 Reply #1 - May 31^st, 2014 at 9:45am	Print Post
	Something NOT RIGHT with the S/N numbers looks like the one on the lower tang has been restamped Ken


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JCHannum Senior Forum Member Offline Posts: 435 Location: Toledo Joined: Aug 8^th, 2007	Re: Stevens New Ideal (model 44) in .38-55 Reply #2 - May 31^st, 2014 at 5:29pm	Print Post
	I can't guess how many deer the seller's father shot with that rifle, but has seen quite a bit of tinkering over its lifetime. The serial numbers on the tang are questionable as mentioned and the stock is obviously a replacement. I question if it is even an original Stevens as the wood does not have the appearance of walnut.

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uscra112 Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 4079 Location: Switzerland of Ohio Joined: May 7^th, 2007	Re: Stevens New Ideal (model 44) in .38-55 Reply #3 - May 31^st, 2014 at 8:52pm	Print Post
	kensmachine wrote on May 31^st, 2014 at 9:45am: Something NOT RIGHT with the S/N numbers looks like the one on the lower tang has been restamped Ken Now that you mention it, the numerals on the tang are not the same size or font as others I've surveyed in the same s/n range.

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slumlord44 Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 2850 Location: Lebanon, Illinois 62254 Joined: Dec 21^st, 2007	Re: Stevens New Ideal (model 44) in .38-55 Reply #4 - May 31^st, 2014 at 9:42pm	Print Post
	The first thing I noticed when I saw it on GB was that the stock and forearm did not match. That and the fact that the .38-55 in a 44 is more cartridge than I want in a 44 action. Black powder or very low end smokeless loads only.


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57thahc Full Member Offline Posts: 175 Location: Hillsdale Mi. Joined: Dec 29^th, 2007	Re: Stevens New Ideal (model 44) in .38-55 Reply #5 - Jun 3^rd, 2014 at 10:17am	Print Post
	Jim: when I first looked at this item,I thought it looked like Elm? Like you suggested it didn't look like walnut ! The idea of shooting 38-55 thru an Ideal, is not not a great idea. The stress on an Antique action with a "big cal" like 38-55 is frankly dangerous, if the seller's Dad shot it in this cal OK. The other fixes on the item,cause me to question everything. I do believe if you own the item,you can do what you want to it .I purchased a Bubba H&A big shotgun action made into a 45-70 carbine!!! I knew what a mess, all I wanted was the action. It was in pretty good shape,for what I wanted,22r lng. bench rifle. I guess the caveat(let the buyer beware) is true and it looks like members here BEWARE.57thahc

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Stractor Junior Member Offline Posts: 94 Location: New Jersey Joined: Jan 3^rd, 2010	Re: Stevens New Ideal (model 44) in .38-55 Reply #6 - Jun 3^rd, 2014 at 4:48pm	Print Post
	The serial has been overstamped --you can still see the original numbers.


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harry_eales Ex Member	Re: Stevens New Ideal (model 44) in .38-55 Reply #7 - Jun 4^th, 2014 at 1:28am	Print Post
	I agree. It has been over stamped. After fooling around with the picture on my computer I believe the original number stamped on the tang is 8177 over stamped with 4736. I may be wrong but I don't think so. I'm not surprised there hasn't been a single bid for it. Harry


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ledball Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1011 Location: syracuse, ohio Joined: Nov 20^th, 2009	Re: Stevens New Ideal (model 44) in .38-55 Reply #8 - Jun 4^th, 2014 at 10:31am	Print Post
	Since the over stamp is so visible, why would someone go to the trouble, unless they think we're fools. I don't think it's a Stevens barrel. Ledball


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westerner Frequent Elocutionist Offline deleted posts and threads record holder. Posts: 11521 Location: Why, out West of course Joined: May 29^th, 2006	Re: Stevens New Ideal (model 44) in .38-55 Reply #9 - Jun 4^th, 2014 at 3:59pm	Print Post
	Quote: I agree. It has been over stamped. After fooling around with the picture on my computer I believe the original number stamped on the tang is 8177 over stamped with 4736. I may be wrong but I don't think so. I'm not surprised there hasn't been a single bid for it. Harry Would make a nice lamp base. Joe.

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slumlord44 Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 2850 Location: Lebanon, Illinois 62254 Joined: Dec 21^st, 2007	Re: Stevens New Ideal (model 44) in .38-55 Reply #10 - Jun 4^th, 2014 at 8:11pm	Print Post
	I took a close look at it again today. Apparently someone tried to make the # on the tang match the # on the barrel. Bad idea. Any alteration of a serial # is a federal offense as I recall.


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harry_eales Ex Member	Re: Stevens New Ideal (model 44) in .38-55 Reply #11 - Jun 5^th, 2014 at 12:36am	Print Post
	slumlord44 wrote on Jun 4^th, 2014 at 8:11pm: I took a close look at it again today. Apparently someone tried to make the # on the tang match the # on the barrel. Bad idea. Any alteration of a serial # is a federal offense as I recall. I think the authorities may have difficulty proving 'who dun it', unless it is also an offence to be in possession of a firearm where the serial number has been altered. Harry


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40_Rod Frequent Elocutionist Offline Extremism in the persuit of accuracy is not a vice Posts: 4285 Location: Knoxville, TN Joined: Apr 20^th, 2004	Re: Stevens New Ideal (model 44) in .38-55 Reply #12 - Jun 5^th, 2014 at 8:21am	Print Post
	It’s a shame that the rifle had such a high reserve on it that it didn’t sell. There is nothing special about it, the serial numbering is at best questionable, and it is chambered in a cartridge that is “too much club” for the action. Given that the butt stock is poorly replaced and the forend is beat there is no value there either. What this is is a suitable action to turn into a nice .22 and restock. But not at the inflated starting price that was asked. 40 Rod


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Chuckster Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 2238 Location: Colorado Joined: May 15^th, 2008	Re: Stevens New Ideal (model 44) in .38-55 Reply #13 - Jun 5^th, 2014 at 11:18am	Print Post
	Is something going on with the price of 44's? At the Colorado Collectors Show, they were asking $800 for beaters, then up, way up. Chuck


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marlinguy Frequent Elocutionist Offline Ballards may be weaker, but they sure are neater! Posts: 16289 Location: Oregon Joined: Feb 2^nd, 2009	Re: Stevens New Ideal (model 44) in .38-55 Reply #14 - Jun 5^th, 2014 at 12:21pm	Print Post
	Since the original 44's were chambered in .38-55, I wouldn't have a problem buying or owning an original in .38-55 myself. I might never shoot it, or if I did it would be very low pressure loads. But the gun just isn't original, so it's value is that of the accumulative parts. I'm not surprised that nobody bid on it, as the $500 starting price is more than it's worth for parts to me. I'm also not sure if it's a Stevens barrel or not. The caliber roll stamp sure looks the same as used by Stevens, but with all the great pictures the seller has, he somehow avoided the top barrel flat where the maker's roll stamp would be! At least he got good pictures of the over stamped serial number!

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