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Old Dupont Schultze powder
Apr 26th, 2014 at 12:26pm
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Hoping someone here might have some knowledge of this old Dupont gunpowder. Let me start by saying I am not planning on reloading with it, as I think it's about 100+ years old. But when getting ready to dump the last few ounces out, I was shocked to see the orange color!
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From the old advertisements I discovered this can style and powder were introduced around 1907, and not sure how long it was offered. I'm guessing the orange colored gunpowder is the original. I dumped much of it before I decided to see if it burned well. I stopped and took some outside and touched a match to it, and was surprised how well it burned. The back of the can has various load suggestions for shotguns, and it says on the can it's a "shotgun powder".
If anyone has any input on it, I'd appreciate comments. I also picked up another empty can of Dupont Schuetzen Smokeless, with a beautiful color label of a schuetzen competitor and his gun on the front! I think it also dates to around 1900, but not sure on it.
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Re: Old Dupont Schultze powder
Reply #1 - Apr 26th, 2014 at 6:31pm
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I have two cans of Bulk Shotgun powder and I believe the formula is the same or at least very simular. 

Harvey Donaldson Used Bulk Shotgun powder in 1936 (so Schuetzen was gone by then) and sieved it into F, FF and FFFg. He shot the FF in 32/40 and F in 38/55. By that, the Schuetzen Powder may have been of larger granulation? The shotgun powder is of white/yellow color but, it looks the same as the Schuetzen.

Harvey's article was in the September, 1936 addition of American Rifleman or, you can find it in his book "Yours Truly", a compilation of his Handloader articles.

I got my Bulk powder hoping to use it for duplex loads, I even sieved the FFF out of it but, stopped shooting soon after and now there are no more shoots for for duplex Sad

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Re: Old Dupont Schultze powder
Reply #2 - Apr 27th, 2014 at 11:21am
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IIRC, you might find reference to it, and to loads in Schuetzen calibers, in the 1941 edition of Phil Sharpe's Complete Guide to Handloading.  The 1941 edition has a chapter on Schuetzen rifles by Ned Roberts, in addition to Sharpe's discussion (both editions) of the early powders.

I know that the 1937 edition is available for download on the net, copyright long gone, but I do not know if anyone made the 1941 edition available.

  
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Reply #3 - Apr 28th, 2014 at 1:12pm
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Somewhere in Sharpe's book, he mentions orange powder.
  
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Reply #4 - Apr 28th, 2014 at 3:42pm
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The first American smokeless powder manufacturer was the American EC & Schultze Powder Company of Oakland, New Jersey in 1890.  Schultze Powder, for shotguns, was a single base powder made from wood, US Patent 38789 of 1863.  This company was one of many acquired by DuPont and transferred to Laflin & Rand and then Hercules in 1912

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Reply #5 - May 3rd, 2014 at 12:35pm
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The first American smokeless powder manufacturer was the American EC & Schultze Powder Company of Oakland, New Jersey in 1890.  Schultze Powder, for shotguns, was a single base powder made from wood, US Patent 38789 of 1863.  This company was one of many acquired by DuPont and transferred to Laflin & Rand and then Hercules in 1912

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The patent info is very interesting reading! Doesn't mention the color, but does mention a "bleaching" process at one point in production. One might surmise the orange color is the result of this bleaching.
  

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Reply #6 - May 3rd, 2014 at 12:38pm
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I'll have to get out my copy of Sharpe's book, and also Ned Robert's book to see if they might add anything. I have lots of reference material on old cartridges, but powder seems to be very little material done.
  

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Reply #7 - May 3rd, 2014 at 5:12pm
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My WRA Co. sampler has a few odd colored propellants. E.C. No. 1 and New E.C. are yellow. DuPont, American Dead Shot and New Schultze are white. Hazard Blue Ribbon is tan.
  

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