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The mis-underestimated Stevens 44
Apr 19th, 2014 at 12:46am
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Had an "interesting" experience at the range today.   Was working up a .25-20 load for a newly rebarreled Stevens Model 44.  Usually I'm all alone, but today a group of onlookers hung about, borrowing stuff, asking advice, cheering my better shots, and all that.  I got distracted, and double-charged a case.  ( A first for me, over a good many years. )

The "interesting" part is that, despite pressure that Quickload calculates to 80,000 psi, the gun did NOT blow up.  Blew the primer, and the case stuck tight,  but otherwise the gun is OK.  BTW  I believe that pressure number - QL also says the velocity should have been 2500 fps, and sure enough, the Chrony read 2565 after the shot.  

This rifle has a machined-from-solid breechblock in it, and I used drill rod for new link pins, so it's not entirely your average Model 44, but other than that, it is a typical Model 44 from about 1910, no other special parts, assembled with some care to proper fits fits and breeching.   I've pulled it apart already to check it over with a magnifier and mikes, and to clean out  the carbon deposits.  After cleaning, it will go back together with the same parts.  

I'm certainly not advocating for running the old 44 past the customary 30,000 psi speed limit on a regular basis, but I now have some confidence that at 30K there is a considerable safety margin, when the action is in good condition.      

And the next guy that blathers about how "the 44 is only good for .22 rimfire" is going to get an earful.

The only lasting evidence:
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Re: The mis-underestimated Stevens 44
Reply #1 - Apr 19th, 2014 at 12:40pm
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Glad the gun and yourself survived! Could have been bad news, and really doesn't mean it would survive the same thing again, or the next 44 would. 
Yes, the Stevens 44 is stronger than some give credit for, and there are lots of early ones factory chambered in big calibers that are still tight. My concern would not be that occasional accidental overload, but continuous hot loads, or how many accidental overloads the action had seen. Will the next one be the one it wont hold?
  

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Re: The mis-underestimated Stevens 44
Reply #2 - Apr 19th, 2014 at 4:02pm
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Reasonable comments, Marlinguy.   I have picked up numerous worn-out examples that had a lot of slop in the breeching.  That, combined with the weaker cast breechblock that Stevens used could well have let go.  I'm sure you know that loose breeching is the bane of Ballards, too.   Even Parker Ackley wrote of the problem of loose breeching with regard to bolt rifles, where especially in soft Mausers causes setback, but in Krags is known to crack bolt heads right off.   

So no argument from me that a sub-par 44 is still a risky proposition.   

I bought this gun at an auction up in Akron, not knowing then that it had this new breechblock in it.  Within the last year I have been in touch with a fella out West who claims to have made them by the dozen, from 8620.  Has none left to sell, and won't make another batch unless somebody orders at least a dozen or two.  I'm wondering if this one is one of his.  I'd order a bunch myself to resell, after this, but the investment would be over $1000, and my pension won't support that kind of outlay.
  

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Re: The mis-underestimated Stevens 44
Reply #3 - Apr 23rd, 2014 at 6:23am
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uscra112, 

I also have a Stevens 44 in 25-20 SS. The finish is nearly 95% color case, bluing, and wood. However it appeared to me it was a rifle that had been dry fired so much that it had damage to the firing pin and the cross bolt that retains the firing pin.I tried to work up a load for the rifle using several different powder, primers, and bullet weights. I was lucky enough to have an old Ideal bullet mold that is adjustable for bullet weight and cast them from 66 grains up to 98 grains. Nothing was shooting well. The bore looked great when inspected with a Hawkeye bore scope. So I've sent the rifle out to have a new firing pin made and the breech block bushed. I'm hoping that when it returns the accuracy problems with my rifle will be solved. 

What do you recommend for a smokeless powder in the 25-20 SS? I have tried several and all have very wide spreads in velocity (300 to better than 400 fps at times). Again I believe this may have been dure to the problem with the firing pin not striking the same every time. I still need to work up an accurate load so any suggestion that will narrow down powder & primer will be a big help.


                                                     thank you, Sendaro
  
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Re: The mis-underestimated Stevens 44
Reply #4 - Apr 23rd, 2014 at 1:40pm
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AA#9 was giving me single-digit variances in my .25-21, so that's what I was loading on the fateful day.  86 grain GC bullet and Rem small pistol primers, 6.5 grains AA#9 was the load I double charged.

If you are getting spreads that large, there's much more than your load that's wrong.  

  

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Re: The mis-underestimated Stevens 44
Reply #5 - Apr 23rd, 2014 at 2:01pm
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Mine loves the 68 grain Lyman 257420 GC with 7.5 grains of 2400 or 6.8 grains of H108.
  
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