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jarmann Participating Member Offline Posts: 38 Joined: Apr 7^th, 2014	reduced load for a borchardt 1878 military Apr 8^th, 2014 at 7:05am	Print Post
	hej guys did some tests with this particular rifle used vhita N110 22gn on 350 gn HS bullets from haendler & natermann on 45/70 starlight cases , made nice groups at 100 m due to the very light triggerpull, aiming at centre of a pistol silhouette target . greetings from flanders jarmann


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Bent_Ramrod Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1578 Location: Southern Arizona Joined: Feb 8^th, 2006	Re: reduced load for a borchardt 1878 military Reply #1 - Apr 8^th, 2014 at 1:52pm	Print Post
	A Borchardt military rifle with a very light trigger pull is an unusual treasure. Looks like you have a good load for it as well. Congratulations!


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harry_eales Ex Member	Re: reduced load for a borchardt 1878 military Reply #2 - Apr 8^th, 2014 at 2:07pm	Print Post
	Agreed, Borchardts are not renowned for good trigger pulls. However if you know the angles that the sear and sear notch have to be ground to, you can get the pull down to one pound. It's nice to have another European Borchardt fan, we are quite rare. Harry.


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jarmann Participating Member Offline Posts: 38 Joined: Apr 7^th, 2014	Re: reduced load for a borchardt 1878 military Reply #3 - Apr 9^th, 2014 at 6:33am	Print Post
	the rife looks like new ,all screwheads are untouched ,the lever and bolt have a marble case hardening colour (jaspage in french) barrel is mirror clear ,only the woodwork has some small dings, no signs of wear on receiver and action ,the rear sight works very strong ,it's a trapdoor Benton model 1879 fourth-form just missing the right bayonet and the hook/button sling geetings from over the pond jarmann


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harry_eales Ex Member	Re: reduced load for a borchardt 1878 military Reply #4 - Apr 9^th, 2014 at 7:39am	Print Post
	Any chance of a few pictures jarmann? That's a very unusual rear sight to be found on a Borchardt and not likely to be a factory fitted model. Finding a Bayonet for a Borchardt is probably impossible, I have yet to see one that is proven to be a genuine Sharps made item. Some I have seen are from other rifles adapted to fit. Sharp's did make a bayonet it's even pictured in the 1878 model catalogues. Every record of sales made by Schyler, Hartley and Graham who bought all the surplus rifles, carbines and spare parts for the 1874 and 1878 never listed an 1878 sold with a bayonet, even when they sold the military rifles by the case it was listed as X number of 1878 Borchardts military rifles (No bayonets). Probably the demand for the Military version of the 1878 to military organisations was so small that they didn't make many at all. Harry


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jarmann Participating Member Offline Posts: 38 Joined: Apr 7^th, 2014	Re: reduced load for a borchardt 1878 military Reply #5 - Apr 9^th, 2014 at 9:22am	Print Post
	hello harry sorry ,but I don't now how it works ,I have no knowledge of this techniek ,they asked me several times on other fora to, for other BPCR 's of my collection the rifle has serial 88xx , saw pictures of 5 different major Benton rearsights on borchardt 's all made by Barnes, on this forum posted in 2011 saw pictures of michigan NG's stacked borchardt's with bayonets fitted, one told me about a book of a mr. reilly autor of "american socket bayonets"and gave me some measures : LOA 54cm, L. socket:7,6 cm, L. blade47cm ,socket bore DIA. 18,20 mm to 18,60mm muzzle L. or distance from front of socket to the mortice 35 mm several hundreds of these rifles were used by differend states national guards of north carolina and massachusetts geetings from flanders jarmann


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harry_eales Ex Member	Re: reduced load for a borchardt 1878 military Reply #6 - Apr 9^th, 2014 at 7:05pm	Print Post
	Hello jarmann, According to my source the only Barnes sights fitted to military Borchardts were on those supplied to the State of Michigan who purchased 1,300 rifles that was the largest single order other than 3,220 ordered for an undisclosed South American country, by S,H & G in New York. it is not known if these were delivered. Other than that if all the 1878 rifles sold to various U.S. States and the Chinese Gov't order for 300 the overall total of bayonets would still be relatively small in comparison with the nearly 12,000 military rifles produced. The bayonet for this rifle must be one of the rarest of all US made rifle accessories. I don't recollect seeing those pictures on this Forum but i will carry out a search for them. Harry


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Bent_Ramrod Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1578 Location: Southern Arizona Joined: Feb 8^th, 2006	Re: reduced load for a borchardt 1878 military Reply #7 - Apr 9^th, 2014 at 7:42pm	Print Post
	Jarmann, If you have a digital camera, take your picture and plug it into your computer. There should be some kind of rudimentary photo program on your disc that will allow you to download selected photos off the camera into a file. Then go to (You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links) and follow the directions to shrink the pictures. I use 760 pixels and "Best" quality. Copy the shrunk picture to your desktop, get back on ASSRA.com, go to "reply," choose the file under "attachments" and post without previewing first. If a technophobe like me can do it, anyone can do it .


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jarmann Participating Member Offline Posts: 38 Joined: Apr 7^th, 2014	Re: reduced load for a borchardt 1878 military Reply #8 - Apr 10^th, 2014 at 3:36am	Print Post
	I'm worse ,Bent I'm a computer" illiterate", and my english is from schooltime, long ,very long time ago . but I keep on excercising let's say I TRY to ..... greetings from de lowlands by the sea jarmann from 1942 hony soit qui mal y pence (he who thinks bad is bad himself ) free translation


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jarmann Participating Member Offline Posts: 38 Joined: Apr 7^th, 2014	Re: reduced load for a borchardt 1878 military Reply #9 - Apr 10^th, 2014 at 3:49am	Print Post
	harry ,the article about the sights was posted 28 aug 2011 titled sharps borchardt rear sight variations? pages 1/2 read 2405 times about finding a bayonet :have a chaffee reece ,ones they told me the same ,but I found one , same for a russian colt/berdan I greetings from jarmann


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harry_eales Ex Member	Re: reduced load for a borchardt 1878 military Reply #10 - Apr 10^th, 2014 at 6:23am	Print Post
	Thanks jarmann, I'll have a look for them tonight. Sadly work comes first. Harry


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jarmann Participating Member Offline Posts: 38 Joined: Apr 7^th, 2014	Re: reduced load for a borchardt 1878 military Reply #11 - Apr 16^th, 2014 at 3:41am	Print Post
	for the sharps borchardt lovers : google to: www.armes- de- collection fr. armurier de la liberation at marseille france a sharps borchardt for sale it's a officers ( match version) military model 45/70 hard rubber "jet "paneled receiver the tang is also prepared for a match rearsight creedmore ???( 2 threaded holes ) same piece can be seen on www.naturabuy .fr with more detail pictures the rod is not correct in my opinion greetings jarmann


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John in PA Oldtimer Offline Posts: 590 Location: Hollidaysburg, PA Joined: Nov 3^rd, 2009	Re: reduced load for a borchardt 1878 military Reply #12 - Apr 16^th, 2014 at 9:39am	Print Post
	Yep. Cleaning rod is from a Remington Rolling Block military. Looks like three tiny holes in the top right of the breechblock(???)

	John Wells Hollidaysburg, PA Peabody and Peabody-Martini's Wanted!
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jarmann Participating Member Offline Posts: 38 Joined: Apr 7^th, 2014	Re: reduced load for a borchardt 1878 military Reply #13 - Apr 20^th, 2014 at 5:04am	Print Post
	pictures of the michigan militia " calumet light guard " around 1882 google to :swiss rifles message board ,vintage military rifles and scroll to the sharps borchardt topic geetings from flanders jarmann


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