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Reply #15 - Mar 30th, 2014 at 5:25pm
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   More filler stuff -- Do those of you who use "fluffy" fillers get good combustion?    I am looking for velocity SD's in low single digits for competition at 600 yd.   I have shied away from wads and grease cookies, never having had any better results with them than without.   Highly compressible fillers are essentially going to "disappear" on firing -- will we then lose the value of the compression we have achieved?  Experimental data, anyone?
    Rice was one of the first things I considered, but it is not as handy to run thru a powder measure.  Also the grains are large and not symmetrical, so may pack differently from one load to another.   I figure that at $3/lb it is only going to run me less than half a cent a shot, and that is certainly worth it for the convenience.   
    When I say that it is "hard", I mean that it will stand the powder compression force without being crushed. One of the bad things about the traditional corn meal or cream-of-wheat fillers is that they tend to compact into a mass.  Amaranth is not going to damage any gun barrels unless it (unlikely) has some grit on it, and even at that will likely do less damage than the average paper-patched bullet.   

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Reply #16 - Mar 31st, 2014 at 9:41am
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I do believe the Amaranth seed family;includes weeds like Blood root,Pig weed,both common and nasty stuff to get rid of! Pigs do love them and will root them out.Not good for ranges. toast or shoot them may not stop growth. Any one try ground corn cob,does contain silica(bad),is compressable,cheap easy to get ,some abrasive conditiions? 57th Undecided
  

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Reply #17 - Mar 31st, 2014 at 9:53am
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Here's what I've been using:
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I compress 55 gr of 3f with this and a vegie wad over it and only the 3f compresses, the shot buffer will pour right out if I remove the wad.  Seems to work well.  I chose this over COW and others because of the 44-77 bottleneck cases I use.
  
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Reply #18 - Mar 31st, 2014 at 10:16am
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REK;
   What kind of velocity variation are you getting?  How does this compare with other loading techniques?
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Reply #19 - Mar 31st, 2014 at 2:32pm
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Chris,
Sorry, I can't answer those questions as I'm still very new to this stuff and I'm just trying to hit the ram more often than not every month.  I was going to include the link to an article about using the stuff in my previous post and found the link is not available now.  Its the only thing I've ever used.
Here's that link, maybe it will come back (something funky with the domain I think):
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Reply #20 - Apr 3rd, 2014 at 6:23am
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From inspection, it appears to be a mixture of finely ground cellulose and graphite powder.
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There is full disclosure of what the product consists of;

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Reply #21 - Jul 7th, 2014 at 4:57pm
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   Hi Chris ---

   I was wondering how the Amaranth seed filler has been working for you with black powder.

  Particularly, with fixed ammunition of B.P., does the seed filler co-mingle with the B.P. and therefore retard combustion ?   Or, is the filler segregated from the B.P. via a card wad ?

Any suggestions or results you would care to pass along RE Amaranth seeds would be appreciated.

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Reply #22 - Jul 7th, 2014 at 10:59pm
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Real test--
I would say that the real test would be to chronograph the loads and see what filler gave the most uniform velocities.  I am quite satisfied with the velocity SD's I get with amaranth seeds, low single digits.

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Reply #23 - Jul 7th, 2014 at 11:03pm
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WEBB:
   Insofar as mixing with the powder goes, no, it doesn't.   You can dump in the powder, dump in the amaranth, compress, then dump out the amaranth and see the BP remain compressed in the case.   At the suggestion of "Mr Trapdoor" Dennis Bruns, I have tried actually mixing them together before compression, and get higher velocity SD's that way.

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Reply #24 - Jul 8th, 2014 at 4:43pm
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Plain old Cream of Wheat over reduced charges of BP accounts for hundreds of thousands of match target rounds fired in the N-SSA.  It compresses somewhat, combusts well, can't become a wad, and doesn't grow when you shoot it out of the muzzle!!  (No, it doesn't smell like breakfast either!!)
  

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Reply #25 - Jul 8th, 2014 at 4:50pm
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   John ----
             Always worked for me too.  Smith carbine with a "corrected" barrel and plastic cartridge cases from Osborne and, . . . Katie bar the door.

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Reply #26 - Jul 8th, 2014 at 7:08pm
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CMM & Others:
   I know that wads, cream of wheat, etc., are used by the NSSA guys, but their shooting is a far cry from getting target accuracy at 600 yd.   I have done enough experimenting to know that the amaranth seed gives me the results I want/need to get the performance that I want.  Try it, you'll like it!!

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Re: novel filler for BP loads
Reply #27 - Jul 8th, 2014 at 7:10pm
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I use cotton as a filler in my reduced 45-90 chicken loads. 1/4 cotton ball per shell.   

In them old cotton fields, back home. 

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Reply #28 - Jul 15th, 2014 at 7:57pm
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CMM & Others:
   I know that.  .  .  . the NSSA guys, but their shooting is a far cry from getting target accuracy at 600 yd.   I   Try it, you'll like it!!


Not so far a cry.  We had a three inch ordnance rifle (repro w/ a perfect bore) on a carriage using a cast lead cylinder projectile that shot very accurately at that distance, and beyond in Michigan at National matches.

John in PA also knows the whats and wherefores of the artillery game, as do others.

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