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Mar 27th, 2014 at 8:13pm
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   A friend suggested the use of amaranth seeds for filler in BP loads.   It works great!   It is a hard spherical grain about 1mm in diameter, and meters nicely in a powder measure.  Just dump in however much on top of the powder and compress however much you want.  Give it a try-- costs only ca $3/lb.

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Reply #1 - Mar 27th, 2014 at 8:21pm
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Any concerns of it being abrasive or harming to the bore.
  

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Reply #2 - Mar 27th, 2014 at 8:56pm
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   Will amaranth seeds be abrasive?   I wouldn't think so.  Since it is sold as a food product (I get it from a health food store) it is probably pretty clean.   I suppose that a fellow could ash some of it down and see how much residue there was, and what it looked like under a microscope -- looking for silica particles or whatever.
   It is probably less abrasive than paper patched bullets.

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Reply #3 - Mar 27th, 2014 at 10:05pm
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What is it going to look like when all those seeds sprout and grow up in front of your shooting bench?
  
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Reply #4 - Mar 27th, 2014 at 10:43pm
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If it is what I think it is you don't want that crap growing anywhere!!!
  
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Reply #5 - Mar 28th, 2014 at 2:08am
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Longdistance1 wrote on Mar 27th, 2014 at 10:43pm:
If it is what I think it is you don't want that crap growing anywhere!!!


I agree, check it out here:- 

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There are many species of this Genus, some are edible, others used for dyes, some are noxious weeds. Unless you own the range where you are shooting I would be wary, one possibly more species are herbicide proof. Personally I would be tempted to look elsewhere for an alternative economical source of filler material.  Undecided

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Reply #6 - Mar 28th, 2014 at 6:58am
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Rendering the seeds infertile could be done - heat.

Likely not abrasive - most seeds contain a fair amount of oil.

Where do you get it?

  

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Reply #7 - Mar 28th, 2014 at 8:20am
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Cat_Whisperer wrote on Mar 28th, 2014 at 6:58am:
Rendering the seeds infertile could be done - heat.

Likely not abrasive - most seeds contain a fair amount of oil.

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Reply #8 - Mar 28th, 2014 at 11:28pm
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   We had joked, of course, about the ranges growing up to amaranth plants.  What I will do is pop off a round in the cellar tomorrow and catch some of the seeds.  If they are still viable, I will take TIM's suggestion and toast them to ca 200F and sterilize them.

   They are not very oily.   I had tried flax seeds, and they are oily enough to make quite a mess when you try to compress them.

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Reply #9 - Mar 29th, 2014 at 9:17am
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CMM:
   Good to hear from  you!!   I don't think that a soft, compressible material would give the powder compression that is necessary for uniform combustion, so puffed rice (tho I haven't tried it) is unlikely to help much.   The amaranth seed is nice and hard and VERY easy to measure, AND does give the uniform velocity that I am after.    
    I intend to measure the viability of the seeds after "being shot from guns", and if they still sprout, will toast them before using.    This will remove any concern about contaminating the rifle ranges with weedy growth.

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Re: novel filler for BP loads
Reply #10 - Mar 30th, 2014 at 2:45am
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I'd be leery of shooting something hard as a filler in my barrels - after all, impact at 1000+ fps makes me think of something like shotblasting or sandblasting the bore... And as to uniform compression, why don't you just compress before adding the filler?  Problem solved, you can use a soft, compressible filler - if any is needed.  
IMO, the best filler is air - even cheaper, not abrasive, and no need to meter anything.  And yes, I do use it in BP loads, and no, it doesn't ring the barrel or blow up the rifle.  I do keep the case filled at least 75-80% though.
Another neat filler is BP...
  
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Reply #11 - Mar 30th, 2014 at 7:35am
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Is this filler needed so as to shoot a reduced BP load?
I have shot my 40-70SS with 50 grs. of 1.5 Swiss, instead of the normal load of 69 grs.  I merely added a thick cork wad and more lube cookie.

Now in a bottle neck cartridge that would not be feasible.

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Reply #12 - Mar 30th, 2014 at 8:48am
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  Since we're on the general topic of B.P. case fillers in general, and the criteria specifically of the best available fillers, perhaps an assessment of "Puff-Lon" may add to the body of knowledge, whether pro or con.  I've never used it personally, but would appreciate learning from those who have.  I do note the provider describes it as being "lubricating ballistics filler".

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Reply #13 - Mar 30th, 2014 at 11:19am
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Is comparable to rice or maize.
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Three bucks a pound? Naw - rice is cheaper and does the same job
  
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Reply #14 - Mar 30th, 2014 at 2:04pm
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I tried puff-lon, hoping it would fix a particular leading problem in one of my rifles.  As far as I can tell, it had no effect, good or bad, on the accuracy, velocity, pressures, leading, or any other feature of the rifle or load.   It did add to the loading time, and is fairly irritating to get into the cases and clean up your loading blocks after use.  Too bad, from the advertisement, I thought it was some of the long lost magic of the ancients, like Leupold Wads.  From inspection, it appears to be a mixture of finely ground cellulose and graphite powder.

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