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Mar 27th, 2014 at 10:22am
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Does anyone have any interest in the Whitney- Kennedy rifles and carbines that had the dream of competing with the Win models 73 &76 in the 1880's ?
They werent much of a threat  ,  manufacturing about 23,000 in all configurations of their small frame and large frame offerings, Certainly a little cumbersome in appearance, but Pretty well made and possibly even more expensive than a Win 73 at the retail price of $27 ?
Although not abundant , they are occasionally seen in the highest selling 44 cal, usually showing much use. I have  a beat up 44 OBR , but recently came across a 32-20 OBR in good shape that is a pretty good shooter. 32-20 was introduced right at the end of the companys diminishing production in 1886 and only about 200 were made, making it fairly scarce. I think it is  an interesting curio in lever gun evolution ?
Ok technically not a Single Shot, but I shoot it single shot
  
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Reply #1 - Mar 27th, 2014 at 11:40am
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Winchester considered them a threat, and that's why they purchased Whitney and closed it down. Typical Win. at that time to buy up competitors and close them down. 
Not sure a Whitney Kennedy repeater would be on topic, so might want to put it in the OT section.
  

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Reply #2 - Mar 27th, 2014 at 3:05pm
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It may be OT, but a neat rifle none the less.  Many years ago I had a .44-40 rifle that was a lot of fun to shoot.  I also bought the expensive leather bound Whitney Kennedy reference book that was available back in the 1980s.  Not sure if it is still available or not, but it is a wealth of information.
  
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Reply #3 - Mar 27th, 2014 at 5:46pm
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I think you may be referring to the book  'Lever Action Magazine Rifles derived from the Patents of Andrew Burgess ' by Sam Maxwell. I found this at a gun show recently and am really enjoying it. I really like the gun reference books and really am enjoying Tom Rowe's Hepburn book
I thought Kennedy rifles may interest some as I am a gun and shooting enthusiast that has been interested in many different shooting genres throughout ,  life especially late 1800' s manufacture, and noted the thread description "General Discussion
This is the place to talk about firearms or shooting not covered in other topics. " Dont mean to offend anyone 
While surfing the net I noticed there was a thread here on Kennedys that was a few years old
  
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Reply #4 - Mar 27th, 2014 at 5:58pm
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Yes, that's the book!  It is indeed a wonderful reference.
  
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Reply #5 - Mar 28th, 2014 at 2:30pm
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I love the Whitney Kennedy also, and find them very similar to Marlin's first venture into lever action repeaters, the Model 1881 Marlin. Both derived from the Burgess patent design, and much alike! I've sold most of my Marlin repeaters, but still kept some of the very old and unique ones. My 1881 Marlin-Flues rifle is one that I doubt I'll ever part with.
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Reply #6 - Mar 28th, 2014 at 4:27pm
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I sure like the look of that 81. Someday I hope to have one as nice? Tommy
  

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Reply #7 - Mar 28th, 2014 at 8:53pm
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Marlinguy That 1881 Marlin-Flues looks nice. What cal, and do you shoot it ? I saw a Marlin 1881 about 20 years ago (before I had seen a Kennedy )and it really appealed to me, although the price was too high for me to justify at the time. I would like a Marlin  1881 in 32-40 with DST.  I am currently enjoying shooting My 32-20 Kennedy. good bore ,good trigger, good accuracy , and something  a little odd and unusual
  
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Reply #8 - Mar 29th, 2014 at 12:13pm
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Marlinguy That 1881 Marlin-Flues looks nice. What cal, and do you shoot it ? I saw a Marlin 1881 about 20 years ago (before I had seen a Kennedy )and it really appealed to me, although the price was too high for me to justify at the time. I would like a Marlin  1881 in 32-40 with DST.  I am currently enjoying shooting My 32-20 Kennedy. good bore ,good trigger, good accuracy , and something  a little odd and unusual


It's the most common 1881 caliber, .40-60 Marlin. Yes, I've shot it a lot in the past, but not in recent years. I bought it out of a local gun shop's "junker barrel" when they were closing. I spotted the Swiss buttplate sticking out, and was very interested, but surprised when I pulled it out and saw it was not a single shot rifle!
Took me over a year to figure out the roll stamp "E Flues Bay City" on the barrel, but once I did the information came rolling in. I ended up gathering a stack of provenance on Emil Flues and this gun that's over an inch thick! Flues was chief designer for Ithaca Shotguns and this rifle was built for a judge in Saginaw, Mi. when Flues was secretary of the local schuetzen club in Bay City, Mi. and built many guns for club members. It's the only known repeater he ever did. All others were either single shot rifles, or later on fine high end double shotguns.
  

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Reply #9 - Mar 29th, 2014 at 1:09pm
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marlinguy  great find &Thanks for imput I like these kind of stories. IT was before my time that a lot of fantastic vintage arms were dumped, and exchanged for cheap plentiful WW2 surplus guns that were familiar ,had plentiful common ammo available,and were considered more modern for hunting
  
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Reply #10 - Mar 29th, 2014 at 6:11pm
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marlinguy  great find &Thanks for imput I like these kind of stories. IT was before my time that a lot of fantastic vintage arms were dumped, and exchanged for cheap plentiful WW2 surplus guns that were familiar ,had plentiful common ammo available,and were considered more modern for hunting


It was only about 10 years ago when I found the 1881. But from what the owner told me, the gun was in the store when he bought the store, and he never thought about selling it until he was selling the store. Then he figured it was not original, so had very little value. Thus it got dumped in the barrel and sold as a cull.
  

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Reply #11 - Mar 30th, 2014 at 8:12am
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I think you may be referring to the book  'Lever Action Magazine Rifles derived from the Patents of Andrew Burgess ' by Sam Maxwell. I found this at a gun show recently and am really enjoying it. I really like the gun reference books and really am enjoying Tom Rowe's Hepburn book
I thought Kennedy rifles may interest some as I am a gun and shooting enthusiast that has been interested in many different shooting genres throughout ,  life especially late 1800' s manufacture, and noted the thread description "General Discussion
This is the place to talk about firearms or shooting not covered in other topics. " Dont mean to offend anyone 
While surfing the net I noticed there was a thread here on Kennedys that was a few years old


There's a lesser book recently put out that focuses on just the Burgess rifle that preceded the Whitney-Kennedy . Included are some interesting stories of these early repeaters being used in the wild west.

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These must have been a fairly stout design, as a lot of them saw rough use and still work properly.
  
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