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44 1/2 22-15 SS
Mar 25th, 2014 at 3:29pm
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I picked up a fairly decent 44 1/2 at a gun show this week end. Probably into it for more than I should be, but such is life.
I was just wondering if anyone has an idea of how many were produced in 22-15 relative to the other chamberings available during 44 1/2 production?
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Reply #1 - Mar 25th, 2014 at 3:34pm
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Anybody's guess, since the production records were all destroyed.
  

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Reply #2 - Mar 25th, 2014 at 3:42pm
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I'd accept an educated guess. . .


and any extra ammo that anyone has. Wink
  
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Reply #3 - Mar 25th, 2014 at 5:21pm
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gewehrfreund wrote on Mar 25th, 2014 at 3:42pm:
I'd accept an educated guess. . .



I wrote an article for THE GUN REPORT ten years ago about the 22-15 titled Stevens' Other 22. Here was my comment about the number made.

"The shooting fraternity, however, did not embrace the new 22-15. Considering that the cartridge was available from Stevens over a twenty year period, and offered in both their Ideal 44 1/2 as well as the Favorite 'Ladies' Model, the 22-15 is one of the least frequently encountered chamberings found in Stevens rifles by todays collectors. Indeed, one could go out on a limb and say that it is the least frequently seen."

I then provided a footnote that although Stevens records are lost, we do have some Winchester numbers available about how many Winchester Single Shots were made in 22-15. From 1897, the approximate time that Winchester would have offered their SS in 22-15, until 1910 (where records stop for the Model 1885) there were 32,500 Single Shots manufactured. Of this number, only 195 (or .006%) were made in 22-15. It is also unlikely that many additional Winchester Single Shots were made in 22-15 after 1910. 

Here's pictures of my 22-15 from the article.

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Reply #4 - Mar 25th, 2014 at 6:30pm
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John very nice Rifle how does it shoot.

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Reply #5 - Mar 25th, 2014 at 7:48pm
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Thank you John. Beautiful rifle. I hope to get some brass in the near future, slug the barrel and get a few shots off.
  
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Reply #6 - Mar 25th, 2014 at 8:27pm
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John, I've sent you a P/M

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Reply #7 - Mar 25th, 2014 at 9:13pm
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.32-35, I have a photocopy of that article. You may have been the one who sent it to me. Can't recall. Good article. I would say that that chambering in a 44 1/2 would be extremely rare. No way to put a  number on how many. I thought my 44 1/2 in .22 short was an odd one. Model 45, 28" barrel, no slot in the barrel for rear sight, Stevens 207 Windage front sight, Lyman 2A rear sight. Should have a Stevens 102 Vernier rear sight but it only had the base for that sight on it when I bought it so I used what I had on hand. It would be nice if factory records had not been destroyed after WWII so you knew how many were made.
  
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Reply #8 - Mar 25th, 2014 at 9:28pm
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I have an 044-1/2 in .22-15 Stevens centerfire.  You can get brass from Rocky Mountain Cartridge Co.  From my experience, the cartridge was strictly for cranks.  It did not have anywhere near the user friendliness of the small .25 caliber cartridges, and they were pretty much the technological cutting edge back in the black powder days.  Few hunters or target shooters would have wanted to bother with anything smaller.

I've seen maybe four .22-15 marked barrels in nearly 40 years of prowling gun shows, as opposed to maybe a thousand .25-20 single shots.
  
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Reply #9 - Mar 26th, 2014 at 8:05am
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Good information.
I was most attracted to this rifle because it compliments my 44 1/2 22rf well, it hadn't been messed with AT ALL, the bore was very nice, and the dealer was willing to take a couple of my rifles that I really wanted to trade.
This rifle has a 205 front sight, a 102 tang sight, plus the standard semi-buckhorn barrel sight. I'm tempted to move the 103 Lyman from the rimfire to this one, since the rimfire has target scope bases.
  
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Reply #10 - Mar 26th, 2014 at 11:24am
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Photos?
  
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Reply #11 - Mar 26th, 2014 at 1:12pm
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Some where in my stuff I have a 22-15 Stevens barrel.I wonder if I can find it.
  
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Reply #12 - Mar 26th, 2014 at 3:25pm
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podufa, would your Barrel fit a Favorite or a 044 1/2?

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Reply #13 - Mar 26th, 2014 at 4:06pm
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Don't know,I have had it a while but haven't seen it for a while. Seems like it had something wrong with it.I think I can find it if you are interested.
  
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Reply #14 - Mar 26th, 2014 at 6:38pm
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If Ron isn't interested in the 22-15 barrel, I would probably be.  
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Reply #15 - Mar 26th, 2014 at 6:53pm
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slumlord44 wrote on Mar 26th, 2014 at 11:24am:
Photos?


First of all, glad I could facilitate some off-classifieds sales activity  Roll Eyes

Excuse the poor pictures; gale-force, sub-zero windchill breeze prevents outdoor shots. Can't wait til Spring finally arrives.

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Not much in the way case colors left, but someone did at least put some lacquer on the receiver.
  
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Re: 44 1/2 22-15 SS
Reply #16 - Mar 26th, 2014 at 8:18pm
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Not bad, the bore is the important thing. Just got done putting  a coat of Renaissance Wax on all my 44's and 44 1/2's and the case color varies from nice and bright to non existent. These guns are all right at 100 years old now and some have been carried and used a lot. If the bores are good, I still am interested in them. Not a lot of 44 1/2's built in the first place.
  
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Reply #17 - Mar 26th, 2014 at 10:22pm
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Reply #18 - Mar 27th, 2014 at 8:14am
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slumlord44 wrote on Mar 26th, 2014 at 8:18pm:
Not bad, the bore is the important thing. Just got done putting  a coat of Renaissance Wax on all my 44's and 44 1/2's and the case color varies from nice and bright to non existent. These guns are all right at 100 years old now and some have been carried and used a lot. If the bores are good, I still am interested in them. Not a lot of 44 1/2's built in the first place.

The bore is really good, even great, which was a pre-requisite for me buying it. It's funny how little repsect these fine old single shots get these days by the great unwashed masses. I got this at a large east coast gun show, and there was almost no interest in it until I did the trade right near the end of the show.
It was the only 44 1/2 at the show. There were quite a few Favorites, etc. and a smattering of 44's. I'm sure very few people who walked by it even knew it was a 44 1/2 and what the difference is.
  
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Reply #19 - Mar 27th, 2014 at 8:37pm
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I don't know where you are located but I am in Southern Illinois, close to St. Louis Mo. Same thing here. Don't see many good Stevens and not too many people know what they are. Guy up at the New Berlin Ill show knows them well but he is one of the few. What is at local gun shows is often over priced. Also see a 44 occasionally but never a 44 1/2. Stumbled across a 418 Walnut Hill in .25 Stevens several years ago at a St. Louis show. Guy had no idea what it was and I grabbed it for $600 as I recall. Gun was in great shape. Still looking for a 418 in .22 WRF. Have a .22 Short and a .22 Long Rifle. Now you have gotten me looking for a .22-15!
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Reply #20 - Mar 28th, 2014 at 8:23am
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slumlord44 wrote on Mar 27th, 2014 at 8:37pm:
I don't know where you are located but I am in Southern Illinois, close to St. Louis Mo. Same thing here. Don't see many good Stevens and not too many people know what they are. Guy up at the New Berlin Ill show knows them well but he is one of the few. What is at local gun shows is often over priced. Also see a 44 occasionally but never a 44 1/2. Stumbled across a 418 Walnut Hill in .25 Stevens several years ago at a St. Louis show. Guy had no idea what it was and I grabbed it for $600 as I recall. Gun was in great shape. Still looking for a 418 in .22 WRM. Have a .22 Short and a .22 Long Rifle. Now you have gotten me looking for a .22-15!


I'm here to help. . .

Did you mean 22 WRF? (not WRM!)
  
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Yes. Typo or brain fade. .22 WRF.
  
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Reply #22 - Mar 28th, 2014 at 10:48am
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I recently purchased a Model 044-1/2 in 22-15-60. The barrel is marked '22-15 SS', but no makers marks are found anywhere on the gun. I have brass, but need .228" bullets. My plans for casting will have to be expedited, as no bullet outfits list those bullets!
  

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Bent_Ramrod wrote on Mar 25th, 2014 at 9:28pm:
I have an 044-1/2 in .22-15 Stevens centerfire.  You can get brass from Rocky Mountain Cartridge Co.  From my experience, the cartridge was strictly for cranks.  It did not have anywhere near the user friendliness of the small .25 caliber cartridges, and they were pretty much the technological cutting edge back in the black powder days.  Few hunters or target shooters would have wanted to bother with anything smaller.

I've seen maybe four .22-15 marked barrels in nearly 40 years of prowling gun shows, as opposed to maybe a thousand .25-20 single shots.


Rocky Mountain Cartridge had some 22-15 already made up, so I got these in record time. The rims seem to be a tad too thick for my rifle. I can "almost" close the action on them with out using very excessive force.
So, now I have to figure out the best way to take a couple thousandths off the front of the rim in a uniform way. Sad
  
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It's easy if you have a lathe or a drill press.  Ask me.
  

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My RMC brass required a few strokes with a file before I could close the breech properly. I had CH Dies make a custom shellholder for my modified cases. The CH shellholder that came with my dies would not allow an original UMC cartridge to slide in place! Either way, a custom shellholder was required.
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Reply #26 - Apr 20th, 2014 at 8:42pm
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You may want to try running the case through a sizing die first and seeing if it fits.
  
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In my case, the RMC brass dropped right into the chamber with ease. I took a bit off the base with a file until the breech closed properly. After that, I seated a primer to see if my filing affected the depth of the primer pocket. The primer seated, with no excess force, to a point just a skosh beyond flush. I have a mold for the 22 Savage that makes a 60 grain bullet. I am slowly acquiring the tools to begin casting. Montana Bullet Works listed .228" bullets, but have since gone out of business.
  

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uscra112 wrote on Apr 20th, 2014 at 6:02pm:
It's easy if you have a lathe or a drill press.  Ask me.

Got the drill press, but no lathe.
  
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Turret1BB63 wrote on Apr 20th, 2014 at 9:12pm:
In my case, the RMC brass dropped right into the chamber with ease. I took a bit off the base with a file until the breech closed properly. After that, I seated a primer to see if my filing affected the depth of the primer pocket. The primer seated, with no excess force, to a point just a skosh beyond flush. I have a mold for the 22 Savage that makes a 60 grain bullet. I am slowly acquiring the tools to begin casting. Montana Bullet Works listed .228" bullets, but have since gone out of business.

As difficult and costly as these cases are to acquire, I'm reluctant to take anything off the back and risk making them unusable, but your experience is encouragaing.
  
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