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over powder wad
Mar 21st, 2014 at 4:26am
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I am new to breach seating. so new that I haven't done it yet. I plan on breach seating with my cpa rifle when it arrives. I have read of placing the over powder wad ahead of the powder. if the wad isn't on the powder couldn't it cause chamber ringing or some other problem??  I don't know anyone locally who breach seats so really am trying to learn as much as I can. I have been shooting cast bullets for about 40 years and this breach seating is foreign to me. thanks in advance for your help. joe aka argie1891
  

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Reply #1 - Mar 21st, 2014 at 7:42am
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You don't have to use a wad. Easy to load a CPA without spilling the powder. 

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Reply #2 - Mar 21st, 2014 at 8:20am
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Re: Wads again ......
Reply #1 - Mar 03rd 2014 at 14:51:02 
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As no one else has taken on your question, I'll give it a whack.
Are you asking about over powder wads with black powder or smokeless? I'll assume smokeless.
If you read Charlie Dell's book, the Modern Schuetzen Rifle (available on this web site, see the book listing), he extensively covers over powder wads with smokeless powder.
In a nutshell, he concluded an over powder cork wad, approx .09" thick, for instance, seated in the cartridge case .1 or .2" off the powder helps with consistent powder ignition. Place that same wad on the powder and you run a very real risk of ringing your chamber. You probably would not ring the chamber with one shot but over time.
The reason I'm aware of Charlie's findings? I recently read his book.
  
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Reply #3 - Mar 21st, 2014 at 8:49am
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Wads are typically used in the real short cases where spilling the powder into the chamber while inserting the case into the chamber is not doable. If that is what one is facing then the choice in wad material and placement could become a real concern. Joe in regards to the load data that I sent you if it shows the use of a wad, the wad a .030 vegetable fiber was inserted into the breach seater and seated at the base of the bullet and not into the case.

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Reply #4 - Mar 21st, 2014 at 9:05am
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How do you insert any case without wad,  without spilling powder? you could hold the rifle muzzle up.  but then when bringing down horizontal to fire, wouldnt powder spill a little forward to the 1/16 gap between bullet ?
  
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Reply #5 - Mar 21st, 2014 at 9:16am
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25-20 14grs. give or take  of the proper smokeless powder in say the 32-40 case of which is a very typical Schuetzen load just barely fills the bottom of the case. Inserting it into the chamber without spilling the powder is extremely easy to do and is quite typical. 

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he ( C Dell) concluded an over powder cork wad, approx .09" thick, for instance, seated in the cartridge case .1 or .2" off the powder helps with consistent powder ignition.
  
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Reply #7 - Mar 21st, 2014 at 9:27am
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Agree Kieth but not all cases are conducive to using an over the powder cork wad due to the interior taper of some of the cases with the 32-40 being a good example it being one of the most popular for serious Schuetzen use.

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Re: over powder wad
Reply #8 - Mar 21st, 2014 at 9:36am
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There is no more misunderstood subject in the shooting of single shot rifles than the subject of wads and their roll in chamber ringing. Charlie Dell is often quoted as the authority on the subject. The problem is that Charlie’s understanding of the subject evolved. Depending on what you read and when Charlie wrote it the advice changes. In the next Journal there is an article in which I show how Charlie’s understanding on wads, their placement and their roll in chamber ringing evolved to a more complete understanding. I have kept the articles to chronological order and left them in their entirety so that my personal views would not bleed into the article. For those same reasons and because it is 8 pages of text I will not go into the content. I will only say that for a complete understanding of the subject you must read it all carefully. 

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Reply #9 - Mar 21st, 2014 at 3:33pm
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I thought that if the wad wasn't right on the powder it would act like an obstruction in the barrel and that would cause the problem. I for some reason haven't joined the assra but will send money today. I probably will be to late to get the issue that has the information on wads. always a bit late and a dollar short. I don't understand how I over looked joining. thanks for your replays.  anyone have any idea on how long it takes for cpa to finish a rifle. I ordered on feb. 3rd. and yes I know it takes longer than that.
  

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Reply #10 - Mar 21st, 2014 at 3:39pm
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argie, My CPA only took about 2 months. Why don't you just call Gail. She would be able to give you a time line. Dale.
  

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Reply #11 - Mar 21st, 2014 at 11:13pm
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I took your advice and called rifle should be ready week after next.
  

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