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Mar 19th, 2014 at 6:37am
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Where can I purchase an American made 45/70 trapdoor rifle?  Thanks for your answer Hank45
  
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Reply #1 - Mar 19th, 2014 at 7:13am
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Hank, 

A little more information would be helpful to those who may be able to assist you. Are you looking for an original rifle, a modern reproduction or a collectors piece? Is it to be a wall hanger or a shooter? If a shooter what do you propose to use it on? There  are so many variables in the rifle owning game. Expanding on your original question will increase your chances of someone being able to help you.

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Reply #2 - Mar 19th, 2014 at 7:19am
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The United States Gov't made appoximately 565,000 of them from 1873 until 1892 at Springfield Mass. They are not too difficult to find on the used gun market in all conditions from a beater to a near mint specimen. There are always some on Gun Broker, etc. Track of the Wolf has them sometimes. Start looking and you may find plenty.
  
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Reply #3 - Mar 19th, 2014 at 7:54am
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I live in a woodsy area of MA, I like to hunt NH & VT (Massachusett, New Hampshire and Vermont where lions, tigers and bears oh my, live).  Any thing under 300 yds. I am thinking some where areound a 500 gn bullet. The rifle I want is the carbine.  Thanks for your answer Hank. Smiley
  
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Reply #4 - Mar 19th, 2014 at 1:02pm
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My suggestion is that you first find someone to let you shoot a carbine with a BP and a 500 gr bullet before commiting to buy one  Smiley

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Having fired several Martini carbines in 577-450 with 520gr bullets and 80+ grains of powder, I can attest to something like that being not all that punishing by any means.  Just a bit lively recoil-wise, but that's about it.
  
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Reply #6 - Mar 22nd, 2014 at 12:26pm
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Was going to offer you mine, but.............. alas, is a rifle. Am building a sporter TD to replace it.

Al Fresca at (You need to Login or Register to view media files and links) will likely have what you are looking for in an original. 

H&R made replica carbines and you can find them on GunBroker and such. They come in two flavors, a nicely engraved officer's model and a plain-Jane model. Priced accordingly. The 'real-deal' in a carbine (an original) will run several $hundreds more than an H&R, with are also nice rifles.

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Reply #7 - Mar 22nd, 2014 at 1:12pm
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If you have no luck online, try the next Big E show in Springfield or the next Marlboro show there has always been quit a few at those.
  
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Reply #8 - Mar 23rd, 2014 at 11:46am
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Where can I purchase an American made 45/70 trapdoor rifle?  Thanks for your answer Hank45


Am I to assume that your preference for an American made  trapdoor rifle is to exclude the Italian made reproductions of original U.S. Trapdoors ?

There was a time when Harington & Richardson (H&R) made reproduction Trapdoors in the 45-70 Gov't. chambering.  From my experience, I will tell you that the faster twist rifling in the H&R barrel was a plus factor that more than off-set the problem the H&R's had with their "cam latch" problem.  Actually, I overcame the H&R cam latch problem by purchasing and installing Pedersoli spare parts to replace the ineffective H&R design which was limited to that one single component, i.e., the cam attachment to the thumb latch shaft.

The H&R lock mechanism was an exact copy of the originals and was without fault.

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Reply #9 - Mar 24th, 2014 at 5:39pm
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MartiniBelgian wrote on Mar 21st, 2014 at 9:42am:
Having fired several Martini carbines in 577-450 with 520gr bullets and 80+ grains of powder, I can attest to something like that being not all that punishing by any means.  Just a bit lively recoil-wise, but that's about it. 

That is true sort of, if you shoot them from a standing, offhand position they are not bad. Shooting from a bench changes the dynamics significantly  Grin

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Reply #10 - Mar 24th, 2014 at 6:28pm
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SchwarzStock wrote on Mar 24th, 2014 at 5:39pm:
MartiniBelgian wrote on Mar 21st, 2014 at 9:42am:
Having fired several Martini carbines in 577-450 with 520gr bullets and 80+ grains of powder, I can attest to something like that being not all that punishing by any means.  Just a bit lively recoil-wise, but that's about it. 

That is true sort of, if you shoot them from a standing, offhand position they are not bad. Shooting from a bench changes the dynamics significantly  Grin

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And shooting them from the prone position ....
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Reply #11 - Mar 25th, 2014 at 10:16am
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I shoot those carbines from the prone position - no issue there.  After all, BP gives more of a shove rather than a kick.
  
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Reply #12 - Mar 25th, 2014 at 11:38am
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Hi Hank45 !!!

Whatcha going to shoot ???  Paper, critter's or people???  Remember, these Gun's were designed to shoot into Group's of Folk's at a distance so it's all about volume / distance and while later model's used a great rear barrel sight, (Buffington) it was still not like the sight's used in today's competition.

Not to Pee on your thought's but if your looking to shoot for accuracy, spend your time and money on something that will give you longer resulte's and value for your system's thousand Dollar investment (and don't get hung up on BP) ... Getting so every time you send one of those round's down range, you can add a few buck's to the bang...

Good info on Al Fresca !!!  A good friend for many year's and will do you right !!!

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Reply #13 - Mar 25th, 2014 at 4:33pm
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I bought an 1884 rifle from Mr. Frasca last year.  It is really nice and may have never been fired.  Until I got it.  The TD is fun to shoot and very accurate, but for hunting I have a #1 rolling block with a 24" whitworth-rifled 45-70 barrel. It really points nice and is easy to drag through the brush.  Neither rifle cost me in the thousands.

Shooting paper I would go with the Springfield any day.  Hunting or general shooting, the Remington is a lot handier and I won't be boogering an antique if I drop it in the rocks.

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Reply #14 - Mar 25th, 2014 at 6:54pm
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For hunting with a 45-70, best bullets are around 300 gr.   The old timers figured this out 100+ years ago.  Usually a slight drop in accuracy, but flatter trajectory and better terminal performance.
See writings of AC Gould, e.g.

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