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Chev. William Full Member Offline Posts: 181 Joined: Sep 14^th, 2013	Re: Reloading .32 Extra Long Rimfire Reply #45 - May 17^th, 2014 at 10:22am	Print Post
	Water Bug wrote on May 7^th, 2014 at 7:26am: Here is a .32 - 20 case sectioned. It does have a reasonable wall down near the rim, but not as thick as the reformed .327 Fed. cases. WB WB, Is that really a ".32-20" case you sectioned? Best Regards, Chev. William


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Chev. William Full Member Offline Posts: 181 Joined: Sep 14^th, 2013	Re: Reloading .32 Extra Long Rimfire Reply #46 - May 17^th, 2014 at 12:14pm	Print Post
	Friday, May 15th, my RCBS JR-3 Press broke in use. The Toggle Link pivot pin (RCBS 09103) between the Toggle Block (RCBS 09101) and the Toggle Link (RCBS 09102) snapped in the middle and the "left' part fell out while the "right' part is jammed in the Toggle Block hole. It seems the piece that fell out has a reduced diameter section that extends a little way from the point of fracture toward the full diameter end that is about the width fo the Toggle Block side where it normally resided. I have 'messaged RCBS with a request for a replacement for the broken pivot pin along with one to do a precautionary replacement of the Shell Holder Ram pin (RCBS 09110) which from the RCBS illustration seems to be about the same diameter. In the mean time, I am out of the Reloading and case forming activity until I can either repair or replace the Broken piece(s) or press. Also, on Friday, I submitted a "Wildcat" cartridge to "Ammoguide Interactive" via their Cartridge Creator Software. It is a Center Fire design similar to the .32 Extra Short RF of old, but with the Case length set at .400" and listed with a 90 grain "31-090A" bullet. This combination would give a .700" max Cartridge length with some tolerance over actual cartridge length (about .698"). I submitted it with a suggested starting load of .81 grains of Hodgdon Titegroup which calculates to yield 11,274psi, 636fps MV, 81ft-lbs ME, and 91 psi MEP out of a 24 inch barrel. this should yield a Quiet, short range target, varmint, and 'plinking' round that is low cost to shoot. Now to wait and see if Ammoguide lists it in their Database. Best Regards, Chev. William


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Water Bug Full Member Offline Posts: 158 Location: north country NYS Joined: Oct 11^th, 2012	Re: Reloading .32 Extra Long Rimfire Reply #47 - May 25^th, 2014 at 7:31am	Print Post
	Chev, Sorry I have not been watching this thread every day. The shell I sectioned is a .32-20 SS basic brass from Buffalo Arms. Since, I have bought 100 of .327 Mag brass, and am in the process of sizing them down to .32 XL ( .318" dia) for my Rem RB No.2. Per instructions and borrowed die from ndnchf. It is hard work , but is progressing well. WB


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Water Bug Full Member Offline Posts: 158 Location: north country NYS Joined: Oct 11^th, 2012	Re: Reloading .32 Extra Long Rimfire Reply #48 - May 25^th, 2014 at 7:32am	Print Post
	Picture of my press. WB


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Water Bug Full Member Offline Posts: 158 Location: north country NYS Joined: Oct 11^th, 2012	Re: Reloading .32 Extra Long Rimfire Reply #49 - May 25^th, 2014 at 7:33am	Print Post
	Press pic


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Chev. William Full Member Offline Posts: 181 Joined: Sep 14^th, 2013	Re: Reloading .32 Extra Long Rimfire Reply #50 - Jun 23^rd, 2014 at 2:06pm	Print Post
	I have lately been using a 'used' RCBS "RC" press that I picked up for $30.00 and then spent the time to clean the 'crud' and 'corrosion' off the ram and to oil the pivots. It has shown me quite a bit of extra power from its larger design, so that now I can 'resize' .22 Hornet cases, after first expanding the neck/shoulder to .250" ID, in one pass through th e.25ACP Carbide sizing die, including 'coining' the rim thinner, from .070" of hornet to .050" of .25 Stevens replacements. I still need to use a punch and hammer to remove the formed case from the die and then trim/turn the rim diameter down to fit the .25 Stevens rim rebates (about .348" to .346" diameter for the Stevens .350" rebate diameter). I also have similarly resized a bunch of .32 S&W Long to .32 Long Colt sizes in one pass on it so I am quite happy with the purchase. Now if I could figure out how to get it to remove the formed cases with out the hammer and punch, perhaps on the 'upswing' of the press handle, it would be a Much Faster Process. I have also found that I can trim the over diameter Rims on my formed .25 Stevens parent cases by Chucking them in a portable Drill and using a fine single cut mill file on the spinning rim. slow work and I need to clean the brass out of the file teeth often, but It is something I can do at home instead of going to my Friend's Special Effects Shop and using his lathe, when it is not busy. I have a 'dummy' chamber I use as a working gauge for the rims. The resized .22 Hornet cases go into the chuck so only about 1/4" is outside the jaws and the mouth is hard against the inside face so little chance fo 'crushing' the thin walls. Best Regards, Chev. William


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bisaacson Full Member Offline Posts: 170 Location: Kailua Joined: Sep 1^st, 2009	Re: Reloading .32 Extra Long Rimfire Reply #51 - Jun 23^rd, 2014 at 2:39pm	Print Post
	It's great to see folks reworking brass to get some of the old guns working again. I just got through with reforming .44 Special brass to a case a little longer and larger diameter than a .44 S&W American to fit a C.B. Holden .44 RF. An additional step was turning and fitting brass plugs for the primer pocket, soldering them in with Force 44 solder, then drilling and chambering the case for an offset .22 RF emptied case as a primer. With a 220 heeled bullet and 17 gr. of BP I got very satisfactory performance for a 150 year old gun, even though the bullets were hard cast. I have a mould coming to be able to cast soft heeled bullets and hope for even better performance as the bore should stay a little cleaner due to better obturation. If I can find the gumption ( I know I have some stored someplace in all this junk) I'll write up an article with details.


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Chev. William Full Member Offline Posts: 181 Joined: Sep 14^th, 2013	Re: Reloading .32 Extra Long Rimfire Reply #52 - Jun 23^rd, 2014 at 2:50pm	Print Post
	For everyone's information: Amazon.com has a listing for .22 Caliber 'Grade 1 PTL" blanks at he moment. it is still present today and is quoted below: " .22 Caliber Gray Level 1 Powder Load, 100/pk by Simpson Strong-Tie 1 customer review Price: $7.34 & FREE Shipping on orders over $35. Details Only 4 left in stock. Sold by Bellcan Corp and Fulfilled by Amazon. Gift-wrap available. " I bought some earlier and opened 5 of them to measure the powder charge, it came out as 1.31 grains of a medium grey 'flake' propellant. Best Regards, Chev. William As of Today, July 29th, Amazon is saying only one box left in stock out of the 16 boxes originally listed for this heading: ".22 Caliber Gray Level 1 Powder Load, 100/pk" Best Regards, Chev. William
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Chev. William Full Member Offline Posts: 181 Joined: Sep 14^th, 2013	Re: Reloading .32 Extra Long Rimfire Reply #53 - Jun 30^th, 2014 at 5:52pm	Print Post
	Another FYI post: Amazon.com presently has listing for Starline .327 Federal Magnum Empty Brass in lots of 100 cases (says 14 still available as of July 4th) listing for $33.98/100 cases. Ndnchf has posted that he has successfully resized and trimmed .327 Fed. Mag. to .32 Extra Long sizes for use in his rifle. It seems obvious this "parent" case may also be used to make other .32 Long Colt/.32 Long family size cases. And Starline Brass is generally well regarded for reloading. Best Regards, Chev. William
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Chev. William Full Member Offline Posts: 181 Joined: Sep 14^th, 2013	Re: Reloading .32 Extra Long Rimfire Reply #54 - Jul 13^th, 2014 at 10:53pm	Print Post
	Chev. William wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2014 at 2:50pm: For everyone's information: Amazon.com has a listing for .22 Caliber 'Grade 1 PTL" blanks at he moment. it is still present today and is quoted below: " .22 Caliber Gray Level 1 Powder Load, 100/pk by Simpson Strong-Tie 1 customer review Price: $7.34 & FREE Shipping on orders over $35. Details Only 4 left in stock. Sold by Bellcan Corp and Fulfilled by Amazon. Gift-wrap available. " I bought some earlier and opened 5 of them to measure the powder charge, it came out as 1.31 grains of a medium grey 'flake' propellant. Best Regards, Chev. William As of Saturday, July 12th, only one box of 100 left in stock. Chev. William


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Chev. William Full Member Offline Posts: 181 Joined: Sep 14^th, 2013	Re: Reloading .32 Extra Long Rimfire Reply #55 - Jul 21^st, 2014 at 1:32pm	Print Post
	Lately, in the evenings, I have been experimenting with reforming .327 Federal Magnum Brass down to .32 Extra Long diameters. I have been using my "RC" press and a two stage downsizing operation: First stage reduces the case diameter for all but the base .25" down to .329" in a Lee Push through Sizing die that has been shortened so the rim can be pushed even with the bottom of the die. Second stage reduces the case to .32 Extra Long diameters nearly to the rim in a ".32 Long Colt Carbide Sizing Die. I have found that by adjusting the die so I only get the rim within about .005" or .010" of the die bottom, it leaves the 'roll of Brass' slightly away from the rim and easier to remove in a Lathe operation accurately. I have also noticed the Carbide Sizing ring in this die is moving, seems to be coming out of the body, which I correct by occasionally adding two more "Fender Washers" to the stack on the Primer cup swage punch and force it back up into the die body again. Also, these longer .327FM cases have the mouth and about .150" down distorted; possibly due to some protrusion within the Die Body not affecting .32 Long Cases. I plan to use a .2965" drill blank punch to push the mouths back out to round before trimming them to length. I have NOT tried to modify the Die as it is the ONLY one I have in this caliber and is already Custom to fit my Barrels chamber dimensions for ".32 Long" Out of 50 Cases in the experiment, two were 'lost' in the first stage sizing due to 'pause' in movement driving the case into the sizing die, resulting in 'Bulged' case wall and the base squeezing out to 'lock' in the Shell Holder. Took a Hammer and Punch to remove them from the Shell Holder. I still have 8 cases to complete stage two forming to diameters. I have ordered a new, hopefully longer, handle for the press from RCBS to reduce the applied force needed to push the case into the die. Best Regards, Chev. William
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Chev. William Full Member Offline Posts: 181 Joined: Sep 14^th, 2013	Re: Reloading .32 Extra Long Rimfire Reply #56 - Jul 29^th, 2014 at 11:50am	Print Post
	Last Saturday Afternoon my New Handle arrived in the mails and after supper, I installed it on my "RC" press then tried downsizing some .327 Federal Magnum cases to .32 Extra Long/.32 Long Colt diameters. The effort required was reduced from requiring a standing application of nearly full body weight to the old handle down to the Sitting application of upper body weight to the new handle. This new handle is from an "Ammomaster 2" press and is about 4" longer installed length and has a Ball End Grip instead of the old cylinder grip. The reduced force requirements allowed me to do 25 cases in one sitting and still feel comfortable as compared to about ten per session comfort limit with the old handle. I am Very Happy with this modification to my press and recommend it Highly to others who are forming cases with an "RC" press. Best Regards, Chev. William


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Chev. William Full Member Offline Posts: 181 Joined: Sep 14^th, 2013	Re: Reloading .32 Extra Long Rimfire Reply #57 - Aug 29^th, 2014 at 11:20am	Print Post
	No reports of progress by the OP or others lately, are you all done with your projects reported on this thread?


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ndnchf Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1077 Joined: Mar 6^th, 2014	Re: Reloading .32 Extra Long Rimfire Reply #58 - Aug 29^th, 2014 at 11:36am	Print Post
	Chev - I read the posts, but am satisfied with where I am with my .32 LC #4 RRB. I've determined that my #2 RRB is just shot out and will not get any better as is. I plan to have it converted to centerfire, relined and chambered in .32 S&W long. We've gathered a ton of information here, and I'm sure others will benefit from it in the future.


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32 ballard xl Full Member Offline Stand on your hind legs, and shoot like a man. Posts: 129 Location: Akwesasne, New York Joined: Feb 20^th, 2011	Re: Reloading .32 Extra Long Rimfire Reply #59 - Aug 29^th, 2014 at 3:58pm	Print Post
	If you want to have 2 different caliber rifles, fine. But I would have the #2 RRB re-lined with a 32-20 liner, and chamber for the 32 Ballard XL (centerfire). You'd use the same procedures as with the #4, except leave the case centerfire. 105 grain bullet at 1075-1125 fps was the first real step up from the 32 muzzle loader. Will shoot the 90 grain bullet as well. ndnchf wrote on Aug 29^th, 2014 at 11:36am: Chev - I read the posts, but am satisfied with where I am with my .32 LC #4 RRB. I've determined that my #2 RRB is just shot out and will not get any better as is. I plan to have it converted to centerfire, relined and chambered in .32 S&W long. We've gathered a ton of information here, and I'm sure others will benefit from it in the future.

	Ballards are best!
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