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Re: Reloading .32 Extra Long Rimfire
Reply #15 - Mar 25th, 2014 at 2:09pm
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Continuing...

Here is the finished end:
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The firing pin on my #2 remains unaltered.  The tip hits the .22 case rim, with a little overhang to the .32 case rim.  That's why I make a notch in the .32 rim.  It provides clearance for the firing pin tip to hit the .22 case rim unimpeded.  An alternative would be to grind the lower edge of the pin tip so it would not hit the .32 case rim.

I recently found an alternative to .327 Federal Magnum brass - .25-20 Single Shot basic brass:
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This brass is close to the correct diameter at the head, which means most of phase 1 could be skipped.

A friend made the .322" and .316" sizing dies for me.  The .299 reamer I ordered from Forster for use in my trimmer.  

I have made over 40 .32 XL reloadable rimfire cases.  It is a lot of work, but once made they will last a long time.  Here is my finished cartridge and an original cartridge for comparison:

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Hope this helps, but glad to answer questions if something is not clear.
  
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Re: Reloading .32 Extra Long Rimfire
Reply #16 - Mar 26th, 2014 at 8:19am
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THAT IS GREAT.  Thank you.  I can do the machining.  Can you suggest where to get .322 and .316  dies?   I have the .32S&W long dies.  Drill bushings?    ALSO my chamber is 1.260 long from  top of  rim to mouth.  see picture.  Is that an over long  chamber? 
I am awaiting  with great interest,  what is "to be continued"   WB
  
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Reply #17 - Mar 26th, 2014 at 8:51am
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WB - I did not make a chamber cast, my measurements came from simply placing a Lyman 299153 bullet into a formed case and attempting to chamber it.  I kept trimming the case until it would chamber, then took the measurements off the case and bullet driving bands.  It came very close to the .32XL case length listed in COTW - 1.15".  I suspect your chamber measurements are correct for the cartridge, they just added some room for fouling build up.

The .322" and .316" dies were made by a friend who used sizing dies blanks from PTG.  I think this is the one he used to make both:
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But you could use drill bushings or make them from a grade 5 bolts too.  What ever it takes to step the size down to fit your chamber.  If you use the .25-20 SS brass, you'll only need one die.

The "continued" meant the second post I made above, it would not fit in the first post.  A lot of this info and more is in the cast boolits thread linked earlier in this thread.  There is a lot of good info there.  I would encourage you to read through it. I can post more photos if it would help.
  
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Re: Reloading .32 Extra Long Rimfire
Reply #18 - Mar 26th, 2014 at 11:24am
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ndnchf,  Thanks again.  I think I will order  a few of the  25-20 ss brass and do some measuring and experimenting.  You mention if I buy that brass I will only need one die.  Which one?
As to my comment on continued:  I jumped the gun, and did not read further.  Great pictures. 
You have been a VERY great help.  Now I need to buy some stuff, and do some work.  Will post as Progress  ( I hope) is made. 
Any suggestions as to what or which .22 blanks to use?  What about those  nail gun  crimped blanks that come in 12 different strengths?   

Just so I can experiment,  do you have a few (2-4)  327 brass  as bought,   you would part with?  I can send a PM if need be.   WB
  
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Reply #19 - Mar 26th, 2014 at 2:15pm
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WB - the .25-20 SS base diameter is about .318" , so you only need the final size for the neck area.  I use the .316" for both my .32 XL and .32 Long Colt (#4 RRB).  That works perfectly with the case mouths reamed to .299" and the 299153 bullets.  The .327 Fed Mag brass is around .335" at the base and needs to be sized down and a little turned off the base.

As discussed in the Cast boolits forum thread,  a couple of us are experimenting with Duo-Fast #2, #3 and #4 nail gun blanks as the primary propellant, and using them with powder poured out as just the primer.  For primer-only use, I like using .22 shorts with bullet pulled and powder dumped.   

I can send you a few .327 Fed Magnum cases to work with.  PM me your address.

  
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Reply #20 - Mar 26th, 2014 at 7:26pm
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WB - here is the Cast boolits forum thread where we've been discussing .32 rimfire reloadable cases, loads and bullets.

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Reply #21 - Mar 31st, 2014 at 3:18pm
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Here are a couple of the special tools I use for relaoding both the .32 long rimfire and .32 extra long rimfire.

Custom made collet crimp die for crimping heel bullets.  Made by Bernie Rowles at Old West Molds - it works great and with a spacer I made, it can be use for .32 long or .32XL.

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Modified Lee push through bullet sizer on the left, makes a great, inexpensive neck sizer for the .32 long or .32 XL.
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This is a decapping stand I made for punching out the fired .22 blanks.
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I needed a pilot for my Forster trimmer, but Forster doesn't make the size I wanted, so I made my own - .296" diameter to fit the .299" case mouths.
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I've got a couple other tools I've made, but need to take photos.
  
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Reply #22 - Mar 31st, 2014 at 6:06pm
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Ndnchf  Thanks for the pictures,  Please tell how the holding tool in the first picture is used.   Is that pressed up into the .318" Lee sizing die?   WB
  
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Reply #23 - Mar 31st, 2014 at 7:13pm
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Water Bug wrote on Mar 31st, 2014 at 6:06pm:
Ndnchf  Thanks for the pictures,  Please tell how the holding tool in the first picture is used.   Is that pressed up into the .318" Lee sizing die?   WB


The first pic shows the adjustable shell holder that Bernie makes.  It can be threaded up and down to take short or long rimfire/colt brass.  It raises the shell up into the collet die shown in the second photo.  You can see the 4 segments inside the collet die.  When the base of the shell holder presses against the bottom of the collet die, the 4 segments close, crimping the bullet in place.  Now to make it work with the .32XL case I made a spacer that is .375" thick that sits on the base of the shell holder mount.  The .32XL case is 1.15" long, my .32 long cases are .775", so the .32XL cases are exactly .375" longer.  Its hard to explain, but the .375 spacer makes the collet work with the .375" longer 32XL case too.  Here's a pic with the .375" spacer in place.

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Nothing special here, but this is the .290" compression plug being turned down from an extra .40 cal expander plug I had laying around.

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I made a .299" expander plug the same way.  No need for a photo, everyone knows what an expander plug looks like Wink
  
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Reply #24 - Mar 31st, 2014 at 7:33pm
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I've mostly been shooting Lyman 299153 bullets.  But a few weeks ago I came across a box of inexpensive bullets I bought for .32 S&W and thought maybe they could be modified as a heel bullet.  So I put one in a lathe collet and turned the base area down to .299".  

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These are Hunter Supply 76gr, .313" diameter bullets from Midway.  Here is the unmodified bullet on the left, the same bullet with the base turned to .299" in the middle, next to a Lyman 299153 on the right.  The bottom groove goes inside the case, while the top groove goes outside.  Both can be filled with lube.

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They were easy to make, taking about 30 seconds each. I made 20 of them and loaded some up to try at the range next time out. Compared to the Lyman, this is kind of an express bullet  Grin
  
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Reply #25 - Mar 31st, 2014 at 9:40pm
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Ndnchf,
Those turned heel "Hunters Supply" bullets sound like just right for either .32 Extra Short or .32 short loads.

It looks like I may have a 'repurposed "Winchester .32 Short" barrel that looks like it will end up with the remaining chamber suitable for .32 Extra short length cartridges.

Turning off the Winchester extractor cuts shortened the barrel and chamber, then I will lose some more  in the final head spacing of the barrel in a Stevens Favorite action.  I will not cut the Stevens Extractor slot until the barrel is properly head spaced to the action, and the retention screw socket is located and cut.

This weekend I got a chance to advance two of my projects:
I finished reamed a "Dummy Chamber" for my .250ALRM development cartridge (a 1.250" long case of the .25ACP Dia. family).  I still need to make a cut to allow pulling the case out by the rim, instead of pushing it out with a small rod form the mouth end. 

The second project advanced by delivery Saturday of a Stock (unplanned purchase, I will be shorting one or more of my Utility bills this month).  On Sunday  I scraped the tang cuts to take my Stevens 44 Receiver, which ended up with the top tang end solid against the back of the top cut while the lower tang end is around 0.11" short with both screws tight in the existing holes.
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Reply #26 - Apr 1st, 2014 at 6:44am
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Chev - I hadn't thought about it, but your right.  These 75gr bullets would be ideal for the short or extra short cartridge.

Glad to hear your projects are moving along.
  
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Reply #27 - Apr 3rd, 2014 at 6:39pm
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Thank you.  Here is a photo taken this afternoon of the '44' project mockup assembly with the postulated future barrel, a Winchester 700 used 'takeoff' above it.
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It seems that the Win. 700 barrel has more than enough 'meat' to have the .300 Win. Mag. chamber cut off, a '44' Tenon turned and chamber cut for one or more of the ".32 'Colt' Family" cartridges.  The finished barrel would be about 22-1/4" long Muzzle to Breech face.

The weather here currently is sunny and warm, in spite of the 'Cold' Political Climate' toward Gun Ownership in California.

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Reply #28 - Apr 7th, 2014 at 11:12pm
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My Friend let me use his Lathe for most of the day Today so I cut the Tenon on the Winchester 700 Barrel to fit my Stevens 44 Receiver. The front 'locating' diameter I cut is .813" to be a sliding fit in my Receiver socket which measures between .813" and .814". This differs from Frank de Haas's book which indicates is should be .800". The Rear 'locating' diameter is .752" to slide into my Receiver which measured .753" compared to Frank's book indicated .745". I single pointed the 20 TPI threaded section and cut thread relief on both ends so I could screw the Receiver on while the barrel was still chucked in the lathe. I will wait to cut the locking socket and the extractor slot until I have the Receiver and Breech Block properly 'mated'.

I am still thinking of adding a Tube 'shroud' to the barrel on which to mount a Foreend for grip so the Barrel would be essentially full length floating. I am adding photos of the Receiver, a Stevens Barrel and my Winchester reworked barrel to illustrate.

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Both barrels with the Receiver below.

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Close up of the two barrel tenons.

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The Stainless Steel Winchester barrel screwed into the Stevens 44 Receiver.

I think that a 'collar' will be needed between the barrel Tenon Front Face and the Receiver Front face as the barrel currently screws into the champfer at the front of the socket.
This would also give me something to 'hang' the 'shroud' on.

'Still thinking through the next steps.
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Chev. William

PS: I now have a Winchester 700 Barrel Tenon with the .300 Win. Mag. chamber in it left over. Does anyone want it? or have suggestions fo rpossible uses?
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Reply #29 - Apr 11th, 2014 at 6:31pm
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Today, Thursday, I received a used Stevens '44' Extractor/ejector body minus the plunger, spring and retainer pin.  After Acknowledging the Receipt via Email I tried it in the 'wide slot' Lever I have.   

It fits the Pivot area but hangs up when I try to move it through the area where the Link Pin holes are so it seems That my Lever is 'squeezed' slightly at the Link Pivot bosses.   That will need to be corrected before I can use this Extractor.   

The Rim lip, that is to fit forward of the case rim when action is closed, is also very short compared to the case rim clearance cut, so it may be worn or was improperly fitted originally.   More Pondering is needed here.

Also, I looked carefully at the markings on my Winchester Stainless Steel barrel and I find it was for a Model 70, not a Model 700 as I had been led to believe by the original Description.

By the way, someone bid $232.50 to win a Stevens 44 'N0.1' Barrel, checkered forearm, and a partial Globe Sight that is in '22 LR' caliber.  They bid in the last 2 seconds of the auction but were not listed as a bidder earlier.   
I believe that is called 'Sniping'.
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