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Reloading .32 Extra Long Rimfire
Mar 10th, 2014 at 3:27pm
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New guy to the forum, but been shooting old rifles for 35+ years and active on other forums.

To the point, I have a #2 Remington Rolling Block in .32 Extra Long rimfire.  I've been making reloadable .32 XL cases (using an emptied .22 short or .22 blank as a primer) from 327 Federal Magnum brass.  It takes a bit of work to make the brass, but it works great.  I searched the forum for info, but came up empty.  I see others making reloadable cases for its little brothers - the .32 Short and Long rimfires, but nothing for the XL (1.15" long case).  I've had good luck with straight 3F, 6.0gr of 2400 or 2.9gr of Trail Boss (the last 2 each with 1.0gr of 4F in the .22 short case to aid ignition).  

I'd be interested to hear from anyone else who has worked with the .32XL cartridge.  Thanks. 
  
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Re: Reloading .32 Extra Long Rimfire
Reply #1 - Mar 10th, 2014 at 3:46pm
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ndnchf,

Try here...

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Re: Reloading .32 Extra Long Rimfire
Reply #2 - Mar 10th, 2014 at 4:16pm
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Welcome to the .32 RF club. I have an article in the Oct. 2010 Single Shot Exchange about shooting the various old 32s. They still have back issues available. I have four of five of them in .32 of various kinds. Fun.
  
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Reply #3 - Mar 10th, 2014 at 5:06pm
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BP - thanks, I'm one of the regular contributors to that thread on Cast Boolits forum.  just looking for fresh input here.

bisaacson - I also load and shoot .32 Short and Long in a #4 RRB.  Does your article address loading the .32XL cartridge?

Here is an example of what I'm making:

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Re: Reloading .32 Extra Long Rimfire
Reply #4 - Mar 11th, 2014 at 4:51pm
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The article covers XL, long, sort of long, both RF and CF. I find that with many of the older .32s, you have to fit the round to the chamber, since there often wasn't a standard chamber diameter or length and the chambers are often worn anyway. At least with a custom fit you can get some decent accuracy if the bore is OK.
  
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Re: Reloading .32 Extra Long Rimfire
Reply #5 - Mar 11th, 2014 at 8:42pm
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Ok great, that article sounds very interesting.  Yes, I've seen some variation in chamber size.  #2 and #4 rolling blocks seem to having tighter chambers than Stevens and Marlin M1892s.  My .32 XL uses a 1.15" long case with a Lyman 299153 bullet.  But when using an Accurate Molds 31-090S bullet, I need to shorten the case by .050" because of the extra driving band on this bullet.  It sure is fun to shoot!
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Re: Reloading .32 Extra Long Rimfire
Reply #6 - Mar 11th, 2014 at 8:50pm
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ndnchf,

What alloy are you using, and about what weight are the bullets from your Accurate Molds 31-090S coming out at?



  
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Reply #7 - Mar 11th, 2014 at 9:09pm
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I got a small number of the 31-090S bullets from another fellow, I don't have mold for them yet.  But I really like this bullet and will probably order one.  They are fairly soft, I'd guess around 30-1, but I don't know for sure.  They weigh about 92gr.  My #2 and #4 RRBs need a .299" heel bullet to fit in the case and still chamber.  The 31-090S bullets came with .304" heel - too big to use as is.  So I put them in a lathe and turned down the heel to .299".  If I order a mold, I'll get it with a .299 heel.  Lyman 299153 bullets are in the cartridges shown above.

Here's a photo showing the 31-090S loaded in the cartridge on the right.
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Re: Reloading .32 Extra Long Rimfire
Reply #8 - Mar 11th, 2014 at 10:49pm
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ndnchf,
Thanks for the info.
I do like the looks of the nose profile and meplat of the 31-090S.
Just went through the 17 pages of the castboolits site again, and while it was mentioned, I didn't see any reports that anyone was able to try the heavier Ideal/Lyman 229154 that was listed for the 32 Extra Long.
Don't have the mould, but was curious if you had heard any reports from anyone who has tried the 229154 that haven't been posted yet?

  
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Reply #9 - Mar 12th, 2014 at 6:52am
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No, I have not heard of anyone using the 105gr. 299154 bullet.  That is a a very hard mold to find.  It is listed in the 1900 Ideal catalog, but no longer appears in the 1929 catalog.  The 31-090S is a bit lighter, but with its extra driving band and flat meplat, I believe its a better bullet all around.  In my #2 RRB in 32XL, I had to trim the cases to 1.100 (.050" shorter) to use this bullet.  But in my #4 RRB in .32 Long (converted to centerfire), I use a .775" long case and the 31-090S chambers fine.  The Lyman 299153 bullet has been a very accurate bullet in my #4, grouping around 1.25" at 50 yards when I do my part.  I haven't done much accuracy testing with the #2 yet.  I've been focued on making good usable cases and velocity testing on the loads previously mentioned.  I'm looking forward to better weather and getting back out to the range. 
  
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Re: Reloading .32 Extra Long Rimfire
Reply #10 - Mar 13th, 2014 at 1:28pm
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Ndnchf,
Accurate Molds may have a similar design, check the catalog listings for 31-105 range of sizes.
Old West Moulds may have a suitable 105 grain design.
I hope this Thread provides additional useful information in the quest to get these 'old and obsolete' cartridges and rifles "Speaking' again.
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Re: Reloading .32 Extra Long Rimfire
Reply #11 - Mar 14th, 2014 at 5:54pm
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I'm pretty satisfied with the 299153 and the 31-090S.  If I were to stumble on a 299154 mold, I wouldn't turn it down, but otherwise the slightly lighter bullets will serve my needs.

So no one else here has worked with this cartridge? I didn't realize I was such a trailblazer  Wink
  
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Re: Reloading .32 Extra Long Rimfire
Reply #12 - Mar 14th, 2014 at 6:03pm
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Hi ndnchf, I shot next to a fellow at a shuetzen match in Hamilton, Mt. 5 or 6 years ago who was using a .32 extra long in an old Ballard. The Ballards have reversable firing pins and his loading was centerfire. That's the only use I've ever seen of .32 extra long.
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Re: Reloading .32 Extra Long Rimfire
Reply #13 - Mar 25th, 2014 at 12:40pm
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TO Ndnchf,  and all,  I have just found I have a Rem RB  No2  with  .32 extra long   RF chamber.  Please give details on how to make the brass  from  327  magnum  brass.  Also I could not find  .327  Magnum  listed in Ctgs of the world .  Is that the correct brass?   I can do the machining if  I have the details  and dimensions.  Using .22 RF blanks,  do you keep the  Rem  RF firing pin as is?   Many thanks WB
  
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Reply #14 - Mar 25th, 2014 at 1:54pm
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WB - Yes, I use 327 Federal Magnum brass.  Its a fairly new cartridge and may not be in your version of COTW.  The brass is available from Freedom Arms, just google for their website.

I'll tell you up front, making .32 XL reloadable rimfiire brass is a lot of work and not for the casual reloader.  But since you can do the machining, it is within your capability.  Here are the steps I've developed to convert the brass. It is in two phases.  The first phase is to get the .327 brass to .32 XL size, the second phase is to machine the case to take the empty .22 blank as the primer.

Phase 1 - Making .32 Extra Long rimfire from .327 Federal Magnum:
1.Trim new .327 Federal magnum brass to 1.15”.
2.Deburr case mouth.
3.Size in .32 S&W Long die.
4.Size in .322” die.
5.Size in .316” die about 2/3rd of the way in.
6.Set up in lathe and turn body to 318”, from rim up about 3/8”.  Polish for 5 seconds with 400 grit paper.  (To set the case up in the lathe, insert a 19/64” (.297”) drill bit shank into case as far as it will go, then chuck loosely into 5/16” collet.  Bring tailstock up with center into the primer pocket and snug up collet.) 
7.Size again in .316” die.
8.Cases will grow .008” - .010” in length from sizing, so trim again to 1.15”, deburr case mouth.  
9.Ream case mouth with .299” reamer to a depth of .175”.  
10.Resize in .316” die
11.Case mouth stretches slightly, so repeat steps 9 and 10.
12.Deburr case mouth

Phase 2 - Convert case to rimfire:
1.Insert case into 5/16” lathe collet, all the way in, up to the rim.  
2.Drill out primer hole with a #2 drill.
3.Ream hole with a .224” chucking reamer for a slight press fit of the empty .22 blank.
4.Drill case for .22 blank rim recess using a 9/32” drill bit.  Test fit a .22 blank until the .22 rim is .003” - .005” below the .32 case rim.
5.Mill or file a firing pin relief slot about .016” deep in .32 rim.
6.Clean up burrs and wash.
7.Size in .316” die.

To be continued.
  
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