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Remington 1 1/2
Mar 3rd, 2014 at 9:33am
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Hi all,
What is the consensus on the safety of a Remington rolling block model 1 1/2 chambered in .40-70 sharps straight?
I have been offered one at a nice price.
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Reply #1 - Mar 3rd, 2014 at 10:21am
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I would think that as long as it's loaded with BP or kept to BP pressures, it would be fairly safe.
But like with all other things re-engineered beyond their norm, use at your own risk !!
  
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Reply #2 - Mar 3rd, 2014 at 11:11am
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The plan would be to use blackpowder (GOEX is what is sold in these parts).
And most likey reduced loads of it as I'm only shooting paper at 200 yards.
  

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Reply #3 - Mar 3rd, 2014 at 11:36am
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The only difference between a 1 1/2 and a #1 BP is the width of the receiver and the barrel thread. While the width might not be a problem, the barrel thread is similar in diameter to the Win HW, small thread but, overall the RB is much weaker than the HW.

A much harder call on this one, I think I would limit the 1 1/2 to 38/55.

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Reply #4 - Mar 3rd, 2014 at 12:32pm
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Don't think I'd chamber a #1.5 in a cartridge with a base diameter that large. Too many cheap #1 type actions around that make a better choice. The #1.5 was a pistol caliber action.
  

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Reply #5 - Mar 3rd, 2014 at 4:23pm
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.38-40 and .44-40 were the largest cartridges catalog'ed for the No 1 1/2, as per Marcot's book.   

**though there is a comment about a few cadet rifles being made to accommodate the .45-70, who knows if they were made for use of the carbine cartridge with 55gr loading (would seem most likely) and if heat treatment or steel composition may have been different for these???

The .40-70 would make me a bit squirmy.  Even if YOU baby it with mild loads, who knows how much stress the last guy put on it?
  

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Reply #6 - Mar 3rd, 2014 at 8:04pm
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Are you sure it's a 1-1/2? The reason I ask is there seem to be a number of people who get #1 sporters mixed up with #1-1/2's. Most but not all #1's have a rebate between oct. top and sidewalls, 1-1/2's are all flatsides. If lower tang is same length as upper and it has a rotary extractor that would indicate a 1-1/2. Maybe you know all this already, if so, disregard my post.
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Reply #7 - Mar 3rd, 2014 at 8:10pm
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kootne wrote on Mar 3rd, 2014 at 8:04pm:
Are you sure it's a 1-1/2? The reason I ask is there seem to be a number of people who get #1 sporters mixed up with #1-1/2's. Most but not all #1's have a rebate between oct. top and sidewalls, 1-1/2's are all flatsides. If lower tang is same length as upper and it has a rotary extractor that would indicate a 1-1/2. Maybe you know all this already, if so, disregard my post.
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I'm not positive, but I believe the #1 military has equal length tangs top and bottom also. Sporting #1 have a long lower tang that's unique to the model.
  

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Reply #8 - Mar 3rd, 2014 at 9:43pm
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marlinguy, you are right about the military tangs. I wasn't thinking anybody would mistake a military for a #1-1/2 but crazier things have happened. There are a number of identifing characteristics between military #1's, sporting #1's and #1-1/2's. I just posted because I see people mis-identify sporters (and militarys made to look like sporters).
If the OP's gun is actually a mis-identified #1 sporter (or a modified military) there would be no concern about the cartridge/action combination.
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Reply #9 - Mar 3rd, 2014 at 10:53pm
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I bought a nice enough #1 sporter this past week for a very good price as a 1 1/2.  Not sure how they arrived at the determination that it was a #1 1/2, I didn't ask.  Wood was poor, but I'll use it for the action anyway.

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Reply #10 - Mar 4th, 2014 at 5:16am
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I have owned 2 roller cadets, 1 1/2 actions, chambered in 45-70 .  The threads were a bit smaller than the # 1 sporter.  From breech to butte looks just like a sporter 1 1/2 except trigger guard has sling attachment in front of trigger. Breech forward has round barrel with military wood, 2 barrel bands, metal cleaning rod, 3 step military rear sight, fixed front. I no longer own them, Google Remington cadet,a couple pictured in the mix.
Only problem I found was 5-6 pound weight, they do kick.
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Reply #11 - Mar 4th, 2014 at 9:06am
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Hi all,
I bought the rifle because it and all the extras are worth much more than I paid.
The rifle is definitely a 1 1/2 and has been verified by info that was sent to me by some members here.

Flat side, narrow receiver with Remington markings on left side.
Non-rebated octagon top.
Receiver tangs equal length.
Rotary extractor.
Exposed barrel shank of about .800 diameter.
# matching narrow buttstock with original buttplate.
# matching forearm with metal nosepiece.

The PO converted the rifle from .22lr to 40-70 himself.
He said that his load for this was 50 grains of 3F blackpowder under a 385 grain bullet.
I don't believe that he shot it much.

I'm not sure what I'll do yet but I do appreciate all the replies and info.
I have probably answered my own question...
If I'm worried enough to ask you guys about the strength of this, then I'm worried enough not to pull the trigger.
Thanks again,
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Reply #12 - Mar 4th, 2014 at 9:18am
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Have handled a few one and a halves. Passed on a real nice one several times because 350.00 seemed an outrageous price. The rifle is better suited to 32-40 size cases.  25-20 W ?  Sidewalls are thin at the barrel shank on all sporting rolling blocks.  Have not seen a rolled damaged in that area when blown up. 

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Reply #13 - Mar 4th, 2014 at 9:36am
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"Have handled a few one and a halves. Passed on a real nice one several times because 350.00 seemed an outrageous price".

$350 "outrageous". really ?  I'd buy every one I see at that price, the actions alone are worth more than that. According to the Marcot book Remington only manufactured about 4.700 in 13 years. If you think $350 is outrageous for a 1 1/2, you should check on line or at a gun show and see the prices on #2s and #4s, welcome to the real world.
  
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Reply #14 - Mar 4th, 2014 at 10:28am
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Was about 1990.  Prices have gone through the roof since then.  

I passed on a 44 1/2 barreled action for 350.00. Was in 25-25 with double set triggers.  Had I only known. 
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