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Feb 28th, 2014 at 4:01pm
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Anyone on this forum reload the 22 WCF?  Nothing turned up on a search.  I have a Ballard so chambered and have not been able to develop a load on my own.  So far I have tried fffG and also 2400 with the Lyman 225438.  I did not use a gas check so that might be one problem.  I am hoping to find a plain base mold to use, under 50 grains.

The Ballard was relined by V M Starr and is set for .224 bullets, 1/16 twist.

Basically, a 22 Hornet but because of the cast action, I chose to work with the older cartridge.

Any help, suggetions or etc willl be greatly appreciated.
  

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Reply #1 - Feb 28th, 2014 at 4:45pm
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FFFG is usually only recommended for priming the pans of flintlocks as it burns very fast. I think you'd be better off with FFG, the one advantage of the BP is that you cannot overcharge the case with it. Sorry, I have no idea of white Powder loads for this round.

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Re: 22 WCF
Reply #2 - Feb 28th, 2014 at 6:17pm
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I think 4Fg is for priming pans, 3Fg is used for most of the smaller calibers and pistols. I used to shoot a Ruger Old Army loaded with 35 grains of 4Fg and a round ball. Results were supersonic and incredibly accurate and fun. However it eventually eroded the hammer face from the hot gases so I wouldn't recommend it for the faint of heart.
  
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Reply #3 - Feb 28th, 2014 at 6:18pm
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I think 4Fg is for priming pans, 3Fg is used for most of the smaller calibers and pistols. I used to shoot a Ruger Old Army loaded with 35 grains of 4Fg and a round ball. Results were supersonic and incredibly accurate and fun. However it eventually eroded the hammer face from the hot gases so I wouldn't recommend it for the faint of heart.
  
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Re: 22 WCF
Reply #4 - Feb 28th, 2014 at 6:47pm
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I have a couple flintlock longrifles and 4fg is my choice for priming. I use both 2 and 3f for the main charge. For a 22wcf I would use 2 or 3f.

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Reply #5 - Feb 28th, 2014 at 6:58pm
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FFFG is usually only recommended for priming the pans of flintlocks as it burns very fast. I think you'd be better off with FFG, the one advantage of the BP is that you cannot overcharge the case with it. Sorry, I have no idea of white Powder loads for this round.

Harry


Hi Harry,

I could be mistaken but its my understanding that 4f is the equivalent to 3f in the UK. I've been using 4f here to prime my flintlocks this side of the pond. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

Regards,
Bob
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Re: 22 WCF
Reply #6 - Feb 28th, 2014 at 7:08pm
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StrawHat wrote on Feb 28th, 2014 at 4:01pm:
Anyone on this forum reload the 22 WCF?  Nothing turned up on a search.  I have a Ballard so chambered and have not been able to develop a load on my own.  So far I have tried fffG and also 2400 with the Lyman 225438.  I did not use a gas check so that might be one problem.  I am hoping to find a plain base mold to use, under 50 grains.

The Ballard was relined by V M Starr and is set for .224 bullets, 1/16 twist.

Basically, a 22 Hornet but because of the cast action, I chose to work with the older cartridge.

Any help, suggetions or etc willl be greatly appreciated.


I can't speak from experience but this bullet may work for you.

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Re: 22 WCF
Reply #7 - Mar 1st, 2014 at 5:20pm
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Reply #8 - Mar 2nd, 2014 at 3:17am
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[/quote]

Hi Harry,

I could be mistaken but its my understanding that 4f is the equivalent to 3f in the UK. I've been using 4f here to prime my flintlocks this side of the pond. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

Regards,
Bob
[/quote]

Hello Bob,
My BP days are long past but in the 60's and 70's I used Curtis and Harvey's No 6 BP in varying grades but usually FG, and FFG those two powder grades covered all my needs for Big Bore rifles to big bore handguns. I never compared C&H powders with any others as other brands were not available in Britain at that time. It may be that screen sizes for grading the powder were different between our respective countries, I just don't know. Undecided

A friend who was a flintlock fanatic used FFFG for priming all his 'flinters' and never seemed to have a problem with ignition. Today several imported powders are available but none of them seem to be true BP, they certainly don't smell like it. Cry

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Re: 22 WCF
Reply #9 - Mar 2nd, 2014 at 6:23am
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Hi Harry,

Curtis and Harvey's was an excellent powder. Too bad Its not made anymore. I think the closest thing we have today is Swiss. I have used 3f to prime but it seems like 4f gives faster ignition.

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Reply #10 - Mar 2nd, 2014 at 7:57am
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I will be heading to the Log Cabin Shop (Lodi Ohio) this week to talk to Dan about getting black powder.  They stock GOEX and Old Eynesforth, maybe Swiss.  I would prefer the finer granulations but that may not be an option. 

I was hoping someone had recipes for smokeless but it is not a common cartridge.
  

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Reply #11 - Mar 2nd, 2014 at 11:09am
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All three powders are commonly available in the USA. Perhaps they're worth a try. You may have to join up to their forum to get the actual charges.

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Re: 22 WCF
Reply #12 - Mar 2nd, 2014 at 6:09pm
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Hi--- Cartridges of the World lists a few loads for the 22WCF

4 Gr Unique with a 45 SP

6gr 2400 with a 45 SP

13 gr FFFg with  45 gr lead

I think with a little searching you could find many reduced cast bullet loads for the Hornet that would work for you in the 1200 to 1600 FPS range.

Good luck ----J
  
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Re: 22 WCF
Reply #13 - Mar 5th, 2014 at 7:23am
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I had forgotten about Load Data.  Not a subscriber as I tend to be a one load / one cartridge kind of guy.  Let me explain, I no longer compete, so the last .0000001" is no longer a chase I enjoy.  I try to keep reloading simple and as enjoyable as shooting.  For me, a three inch group at 100 yards is fine.  I prefer smaller but if I can land a bullet within 1 1/2" of my aimed spot, I am happy.   

The info from COTW will be a starting point.  The nice thing about the 22 WCF, when I find the load, one pound of powder will last till I get carried off!
  

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Re: 22 WCF
Reply #14 - Mar 6th, 2014 at 10:32pm
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I found that either 3.3 / 231 or 3.0 / Titegroup will give original .22 WCF ballistics with the Lyman 225438 (using a .22 Hornet rifle) and with very good accuracy as well.
Primers were small pistol.

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