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wthw Participating Member Offline Posts: 10 Location: jamaica Joined: Sep 29^th, 2008	"NEW" marked dovetail on LoWall ??? Feb 24^th, 2014 at 3:38pm	Print Post
	Anyone know anything about the NEW marking in the LoWall dovetail? What's it for / mean? Barrel has two sets of dovetails, rifle was made in 1907 and repaired and returned in 1919.


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frnkeore Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 7324 Location: Central Point, OR 97502 Joined: Jun 16^th, 2010	Re: "NEW" marked dovetail on LoWall ??? Reply #1 - Feb 24^th, 2014 at 5:05pm	Print Post
	Looks to me like the barrel might have been set back but, why they marked the empty dove tail NEW, I couldn't say. Frank

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firearmdoc Full Member Offline Posts: 198 Joined: May 19^th, 2013	Re: "NEW" marked dovetail on LoWall ??? Reply #2 - Feb 24^th, 2014 at 7:29pm	Print Post
	I have seen literally thousands of dovetails on Winchester rifles, but that is one stamp I have never seen before. Jesse


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westerner Frequent Elocutionist Offline deleted posts and threads record holder. Posts: 11521 Location: Why, out West of course Joined: May 29^th, 2006	Re: "NEW" marked dovetail on LoWall ??? Reply #3 - Feb 26^th, 2014 at 5:44pm	Print Post
	Hmm, well, it's a new one on me. Joe

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firearmdoc Full Member Offline Posts: 198 Joined: May 19^th, 2013	Re: "NEW" marked dovetail on LoWall ??? Reply #4 - Feb 26^th, 2014 at 6:28pm	Print Post
	Is there a second dovetail for the fore-end hanger as well? What is the measurement to the middle of the rear sight dovetail to the face of the receiver? Jesse


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wthw Participating Member Offline Posts: 10 Location: jamaica Joined: Sep 29^th, 2008	Re: "NEW" marked dovetail on LoWall ??? Reply #5 - Feb 27^th, 2014 at 3:16am	Print Post
	Yes, 4 1/8".


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firearmdoc Full Member Offline Posts: 198 Joined: May 19^th, 2013	Re: "NEW" marked dovetail on LoWall ??? Reply #6 - Feb 27^th, 2014 at 6:17am	Print Post
	The two extra dovetails and the rear sight measurement definately says the barrel was set back. I wonder why Winchester would not have just put a new barrel on it. It would be nice if the factory records said what the gun was returned for, instead of just repair and return. Repair records would give us a good idea of what common problems were with particular models. Jesse


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Redsetter Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 3468 Location: New York Joined: Aug 6^th, 2013	Re: "NEW" marked dovetail on LoWall ??? Reply #7 - Feb 27^th, 2014 at 12:42pm	Print Post
	firearmdoc wrote on Feb 27^th, 2014 at 6:17am: It would be nice if the factory records said what the gun was returned for, instead of just repair and return. Repair records would give us a good idea of what common problems were with particular models. Jesse I wonder if the individual record-keeper knew himself what had been done to guns returned for work of some kind. Have a low-wall built originally as .22S, returned for unspecified repair, & now has a factory (not outside-fitted) .22LR brl. Just have to "read between the lines" with common sense.


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marlinguy Frequent Elocutionist Offline Ballards may be weaker, but they sure are neater! Posts: 16289 Location: Oregon Joined: Feb 2^nd, 2009	Re: "NEW" marked dovetail on LoWall ??? Reply #8 - Feb 27^th, 2014 at 12:53pm	Print Post
	Factory records are all over the place as to completeness. I've seen some that show good details, and others that leave us guessing. I have a Low wall Special Sporting rifle that was sent back in around 1910 to get the barrel changed from a #1 half octagon to a #2 full octagon, both in .22 short. The letter details all the work done with caliber, contour, length, and barrel weight before and after. Nice surprise to see that much detail.

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wthw Participating Member Offline Posts: 10 Location: jamaica Joined: Sep 29^th, 2008	Re: "NEW" marked dovetail on LoWall ??? Reply #9 - Feb 27^th, 2014 at 1:11pm	Print Post
	Hey Guys, Forgot to tell Jesse the second forearm hanger dovetail is not marked new. Gun started out as a 22WRF as you can see it is now a 25-20SS. Barrel is 29".


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wthw Participating Member Offline Posts: 10 Location: jamaica Joined: Sep 29^th, 2008	Re: "NEW" marked dovetail on LoWall ??? Reply #10 - Feb 27^th, 2014 at 1:14pm	Print Post
	Couldn't figure out how to add two pic's at one time. Barrel has two number 1's marked on it. One under the forearm the other visible just in front of forearm.


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frnkeore Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 7324 Location: Central Point, OR 97502 Joined: Jun 16^th, 2010	Re: "NEW" marked dovetail on LoWall ??? Reply #11 - Feb 27^th, 2014 at 3:08pm	Print Post
	A question for Win guys. I think that I read that when the proof mark is on the receiver ring, that those actions were for after market use? Frank

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marlinguy Frequent Elocutionist Offline Ballards may be weaker, but they sure are neater! Posts: 16289 Location: Oregon Joined: Feb 2^nd, 2009	Re: "NEW" marked dovetail on LoWall ??? Reply #12 - Feb 27^th, 2014 at 5:36pm	Print Post
	frnkeore wrote on Feb 27^th, 2014 at 3:08pm: A question for Win guys. I think that I read that when the proof mark is on the receiver ring, that those actions were for after market use? Frank Campbell states in book #2 on the 1885's that all got the proof mark on top of the receiver after 1908, so it meant the gun was built after that date. Since the gun shown above is 1907, either Campbell is off a year, or it got the 2nd stamp when it returned for repair.

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firearmdoc Full Member Offline Posts: 198 Joined: May 19^th, 2013	Re: "NEW" marked dovetail on LoWall ??? Reply #13 - Feb 27^th, 2014 at 7:40pm	Print Post
	frnkeore wrote on Feb 27^th, 2014 at 3:08pm: A question for Win guys. I think that I read that when the proof mark is on the receiver ring, that those actions were for after market use? Frank The only stamp that I am aware of to indicate fitting outside the factory is the "P" in a circle. If a gun was returned for repair it would receive the WP stamp at that time if it did not already have one. I would assume that the gun which started this discussion was set back and re-bored, hence the 29" barrel and extra dovetails. Jesse


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frnkeore Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 7324 Location: Central Point, OR 97502 Joined: Jun 16^th, 2010	Re: "NEW" marked dovetail on LoWall ??? Reply #14 - Feb 27^th, 2014 at 7:47pm	Print Post
	firearmdoc wrote on Feb 27^th, 2014 at 7:40pm: frnkeore wrote on Feb 27^th, 2014 at 3:08pm: A question for Win guys. I think that I read that when the proof mark is on the receiver ring, that those actions were for after market use? Frank The only stamp that I am aware of to indicate fitting outside the factory is the "P" in a circle. If a gun was returned for repair it would receive the WP stamp at that time if it did not already have one. I would assume that the gun which started this discussion was set back and re-bored, hence the 29" barrel and extra dovetails. Jesse Thank you, I must have confused the two. Frank

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