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Blind Hog Found an Acorn !
Feb 14th, 2014 at 11:46pm
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This one joined my collection on Wednsday last.  

Not as glamorous as a gold inlaid Schuetzen Ballard, but I'm pretty excited about it nonetheless.

This is a very, very early Stevens Model 44.   Reading in James Grant, and taking his belief that the Model 44 serial numbers start at 2000 as gospel, this may well be one of the first two dozen made, s/n 2023.   Barrel s/n matches.

It is in amazingly good condition.  Bore is not quite a perfect mirror, but mighty close.  Barrel has a one-line roll-stamp on the 10 o'clock flat, ending with an 1885 patent date.   There is no chambering marking. The lands will pass a .2195+ gage pin, but not a .2200-, and a slug measures .228"   Twist seems to be 12".  (I need to make a bigger jag so that I can get a tighter fit of my patches.)   That all would imply that it was originally a 22-15-60, but the chamber takes a Hornet cartridge perfectly, so it will be treated as a heavy-bullet .22 WCF.  What's a bit strange is that it's obvious that the chamber area was sleeved before this new chamber was cut.   Beats me why!    Barrel has not been set back.  Still 26" long.

Note that it does not have the screw heads on the right side. That came later. It also has a 7:00 extractor, and the breechblock is cut away from the side, rather than having the slot that the common ones have.  The breechblock is machined from solid, not a casting like the common ones.  The wood and the nice Swiss buttplate look original, and match some pictured in Grant.   Trigger is sweet, at about 2 lbs.   Mainspring is a home-made replacement, that needed a bit of tweaking to let the hammer come to full cock. 

Only sad thing is that Bubba has had at the top barrel flat.   Too many holes, some drilled way off center. Thinking to put a long 3/8 rib on it to cover the ugliness, even if I never use a scope on it. Will switch some irons off another 44 just to get it shooting, but I'd like it to have its' own set from the proper period.  

  

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Reply #1 - Feb 14th, 2014 at 11:47pm
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Seller did not know what this rifle is, despite being savvy on milsurps and stuff.  Because it would chamber factory .22 Hornet rounds, he fired a few in it, but said that he had trouble extracting the empty cases.   Yah think?    After a touchup with the right reamer, and a light polishing, test fring with a 45 grain slug breech seated and 2 grains Bullseye gave me no trouble at all.   

Now looking for a .228 mould suitable for breech seating.   Thinking seriously about this one: (You need to Login or Register to view media files and links)  IF I can get NOE to make it to drop .228+ in 30:1, and take the gas check spigot off.  I am having great success with an Eagan bullet in my K31 Swiss.   If anyone has suggestions, I'm all ears.  

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Reply #2 - Feb 15th, 2014 at 12:18am
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What's a bit strange is that it's obvious that the chamber area was sleeved before this new chamber was cut.

The 22-15-60 was a long lean cigarette of a cartridge with a case length of ~2.010" and a neck dia of ~0.243"
Your 22 WCF/Hornet case is ~0.600" shorter than the 22-15 SS (Single Shot) case.

Nice find!

  

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Re: Blind Hog Found an Acorn !
Reply #3 - Feb 15th, 2014 at 2:26am
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Your butt plate is the model 45's, #2 schuetzen. The 45's had two sizes of stocks and butt plates. Yours is the smaller one like my 44/45. 

Check the face of the frame and see if it's marked 45. The #2 schuetzen can be switched out and replace the #1 sporting butt plate.

That is a very nice early 44, with excellent wood.

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Reply #4 - Feb 15th, 2014 at 8:45am
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Hi Frank -

The face of the frame is unmarked.  I checked that right away.  The only stamps are the serial number on the frame, and the single line on the barrel.   (I'll try to get a pic of that later today.  Will post if I get a good one.)  Nothing's been obliterated - the frame is all-over case colors gone grey.  That barrel has been reblued, and the polishing did weaken the s/n a bit, but not the facets of the octagon.  There is no barrel weight number either.   

  

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Reply #5 - Feb 15th, 2014 at 12:47pm
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I have an early 44/45 with the small Swiss and found that to replace the buttplate apparently also requires an early plate as a later one I tried had slightly changed curves. Kind of liking the small Swiss and it is serialed to the rifle so gave up on it.
  
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Reply #6 - Feb 15th, 2014 at 1:56pm
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If you look in Grants "Single Shot Rifles" page 64 you will see that this not 45 but that the early pre 1896 action are model numbered 107,108 109 and 110. After some study I think this is a 108.

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Reply #7 - Feb 15th, 2014 at 3:11pm
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peterson2520ss wrote on Feb 15th, 2014 at 1:56pm:
If you look in Grants "Single Shot Rifles" page 64 you will see that this not 45 but that the early pre 1896 action are model numbered 107,108 109 and 110. After some study I think this is a 108.

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Appreciate the info  Smiley   I have only the "Still more..." book, and not the original.  Which I will now go looking for.

Have come to the same conclusion myself, after reading Grant again.  I misread at first - he thinks that the 44 style starts at 3000, and from 2000 to 3000 are this style.
  

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Reply #8 - Feb 15th, 2014 at 7:44pm
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That sure is a nice piece of wood. I am  currently looking at a similar rifle in  .25-25 Stevens. The wood is not that  nice but it has a tang sight and globe front.
  
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Reply #9 - Feb 16th, 2014 at 4:27am
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uscra112,

It would look far better in my opinion if the unwanted scope block screw holes were filled with annealed machine screws of the correct screw size tightened well down, the heads cut off and the metal tapped gently to rivet the top over to ensure that even the start of the thread is hidden, then dress it smooth with the barrel surface and cold blue to as near a match as possible. Use annealed machine screws as hardened steel screws make a lot more work.

A bit more work than fitting a rib but the rib would look completely out of place on a rifle of that age. It's worth thinking about. 

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Re: Blind Hog Found an Acorn !
Reply #10 - Feb 16th, 2014 at 4:50am
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I'll give that a try, Harry.   Annealing a few screws is easy enough.
  

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Reply #11 - Feb 16th, 2014 at 11:11am
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Hello uscra112,

If Larry Potterfield (Midway USA) can do it, then so can most people. See his youtube Video here:-
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And that's the way it is.  Wink
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Reply #12 - Feb 16th, 2014 at 8:12pm
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Ahd don't use plated screws.
  
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Re: Blind Hog Found an Acorn !
Reply #13 - Apr 13th, 2014 at 11:07pm
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Without telling the story too long, it turns out that this rifle was once chambered for the Harwood Hornet, as described in a Shooting and Fishing article kindly sent to me by Bent_Ramrod,  pictured in Donaldson's #16 letter to Handloader, and also mentioned by Ned Roberts and Landis.   Basically a necked-down .25-20 Stevens centerfire, with a looong neck and a sharp shoulder.   

Many thanks are due to members here who gave me the clues.  Using a Lovell reamer,  held .230" short, I have managed to restore the chamber to within an ace of what it once was, made a forming die and loading tools,  made a swage to bump up .225 cast bullets to .228, and have actually fired it a few times across the back yard as a Harwood Hornet.      

The Harwood Hornet on the right, modern .22 RF on the left, flanking a .22/12/45
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Reply #14 - Apr 14th, 2014 at 7:27am
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How does the Harwood Hornet compare to the 22 WCF or modern Hornet?  I am not familiar with the Harwood version.
  

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