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Reply #15 - Feb 14th, 2014 at 10:57am
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Chris, welcome to your new obsession Smiley.

I started out much like you did by entering the single shot world from an interest in lever action rifles.  Nowadays the few lever guns i still have get used once or twice a year while my single shots get used once or twice a week.  Soon I'll be selling another to make room in the safe for another single shot Smiley

There is a lot of great advice here and the .38-55 is a great cartridge in a single shot rifle.

By the way, I'd recommend giving black powder a try.  I was slow to try it and it's almost all I shoot these days.  I don't think anyone is likely to win a benchrest competition with it any time soon, but it's an enjoyable way to shoot these old rifles and the accuracy potential is far better than many think.   

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Reply #16 - Feb 14th, 2014 at 11:02am
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J.Francis wrote on Feb 14th, 2014 at 5:17am:
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     Check out the for sale section of this forum; Leon (AC Gould) has a beautiful hiwall schuetzen rifle for 1995.00. It's not a pristine collector's item but it does have a new bore, double set triggers a great offhand stock and all kinds of curb appeal. It might be just what you're looking for. Best of luck.


I wish you hadn't posted that.  I bought two DST 1885's late last year and my bank account is just recovering.  That looks like a really neat little rifle except that the cheek rest is on the wrong side Smiley

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Reply #17 - Feb 14th, 2014 at 11:10am
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Shooting by yourself.  If all I did was shoot by myself, I'd probably do very little shooting.  Shooting in single shot matches is fun and addictive.  Good deals on nice rifles, scopes, molds, equipment, and new friendships are to be found at matches. 

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Reply #18 - Feb 14th, 2014 at 12:01pm
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Chris C wrote on Feb 13th, 2014 at 9:59pm:
I'm a newbie on the forum.  Been lurking for quite a while now and just signed up a couple of days ago.  Really great site and I can't believe how many really knowledgeable individuals there are “living” here.    

I come from a background in Marlin lever action rifles.  Recently got the “hots” for a Marlin 1893 in .38-55.  The group I'm a part of shoots lever actions at “dingers” up to 1000 yards away.  But something in the back of my mind keeps hollering “single-shot”. 


Welcome to the forum Chris! Any chance you're shooting those 1,000 yd. shots with my friend Wind? He's been doing some scary long offhand shots with Marlin repeaters for years!
I'm not a long range SS rifle shooter, but I wouldn't hesitate to try smokeless loads for that type of shooting, and there are many decent 1885 clones or originals out there that would serve you well!
  

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Reply #19 - Feb 14th, 2014 at 1:59pm
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Had to be away from the computer all morning and missed a lot of posts.  Just know that I appreciate all the helpful comments and suggestions.  I'm on a fixed and very low income (poverty level) and it's going to be hard to come up with the funds, but I really yearn to own a fine single-shot rifle.  I shoot by myself because I'm unable to afford the membership to shoot at either of the local ranges.  Otherwise I might be on the line regularly.  Oh, I forgot to mention, I live in central Oklahoma.

Yes, Marlinguy, it's Wind who sparked my interest in long-range dinger shooting............though I've never met him in person, we often exchange e-mails daily.  And I hope someday to make the trek from Oklahoma to Washington to meet him and shoot with him...........though it's somewhat doubtful I'll be able to.
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Reply #20 - Feb 14th, 2014 at 2:56pm
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If you go 38/55 best look for a fast twist to use long bullets. My 38/55 was set up over 20 Years ago when 1/18 was the norm. It handles 300 grs fine probably would not stabilize 330 bullets. Most new guns are using 1/16 some even faster, but my advice is stay away from real fast twist. I would go for a 1/16 if new.

We did not mention the Japanese made Browning Winchesters.  Very nice rifles at less cost than the American Single Shot reproductions.   Texas Mac on this forum deals in them used generally has some on hand.  Others know a lot more about them than I do one model is the one to have another is  not. Best check them out first. These are more common in 45/70 than 38/55 I think.

Like some of the other guys I sell to buy. Don't think I paid anything for my CPA's, one had to sell almost a dozen guns to pay for though.  It's easy to get attached but if you don't use it better to get rid of it.

Except for my Marlin Levers that is.

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Reply #21 - Feb 14th, 2014 at 4:05pm
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1-16" twist is pretty slow in today's world of 38cal barrels and heavy (long) bullets. Am shooting a GM 1-14"  and it works well with everything I shot in it up to a 1.423" length and 368gr bullet. Most folks I know who shoot a 38-55, 38-50 or 38-56 are shooting 1-14"  or faster and a couple have gone to 1-10" (Douglas). They are proving themselves to be accurate at longer distance out through mid-range (600yd) and no problem knocking over the rams. Am hoping that the powers-that-be will start rethinking their prohibition on 38s at 1000yd based on these new barrels/bullets.
  

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Reply #22 - Feb 14th, 2014 at 4:40pm
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Sheepishly I have admit I don't know enough about all this shootin' stuff to be into it deep enough to know about the twist rates.  I've a lot to learn.   

Thanks,

Signed The Sponge!  Grin
  

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Reply #23 - Feb 14th, 2014 at 5:39pm
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Many people pick up a Rolling Block receiver and build a custom rifle for under $1,000 to get started.

I have seen people get started with a sporterized Swedish Rolling Block 8x58R for under $600. Just had to find some good tang sights to get going after finding some cases and an 8 mm bullet mould of 200 to 235 grains. 

The heavier the bullet the more kinetic energy it has and the less susceptible it is to wind conditions.
However heavier bullets are longer and require a tighter barrel twist to stabilize the bullet.

We use the Greenhill's formula to determine the twist for a specific bullet:

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Most people stick to the .32 calibers for better recoil control for Schuetzen however most people go to the .40 or .45 calibers for Black Powder Cartridge shooting disciplines. A .38-55 may be good to start out in both disciplines but is a bit heavy for Schuetzen and too light for BPCR (from a competition perspective) however it would get you started.
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Reply #24 - Feb 14th, 2014 at 5:45pm
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   Hey Chris -- If the 38-55 WCF is your pleasure, I have a hardly used Wickliffe falling block with a 30 inch tapered octagon barrel (Winchester taper) that I would considering selling at or near my cost.  It is NRA approved in their regs, if B.P silhouette is something you would want to try.  I've shot both silhouette and schuetzen with it.

Just a thought.  I do read my P.M.'s should you wish to communicate.

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Reply #25 - Feb 14th, 2014 at 6:08pm
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OMG Creedmorematch, that's a beautiful rifle.  I won't even bother asking the price.  I make less in a year than some people make in a month, so I'm sure a rifle of that beauty is way beyond my range.  Heck, I probably couldn't afford to pay for the engraving!  Grin  But thanks for the thought.  Besides, I'm just testing the water right now.  Could be a year or two before I could afford even a "starter".
  

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Reply #26 - Feb 14th, 2014 at 6:15pm
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Dave - That's a good Greenhill formula you just posted. It is the closest to my results of any I've tried, with the others being too conservative (that is, they want too tight a twist). Thanks.
  

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Reply #27 - Feb 14th, 2014 at 6:20pm
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As I previously mentioned, I'm from central Oklahoma.  I just checked, and the closest ASSRA group is a 2 1/2 hour drive from my place.  I've checked with two of my friends who shoot at the local gun clubs and they don't know of any single-shot groups.  Do you fellows know of any?
  

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Reply #28 - Feb 14th, 2014 at 9:12pm
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Might want to look at NRA Rule BPCS matches and set your rifle up as a all rounder.  I shoot about the same Offhand scores with my BPCS CPA as my Full Schuetzen CPA.  Make the rifle suit BPCS rules you can do both.

Suspect you will find a lot more shooting if you can enter either match.

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Reply #29 - Feb 14th, 2014 at 9:43pm
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Thanks, but as previously mentioned, I'm not at all interested in matches..........of any kind.  I just want to know the closest place I can go to see these rifles in person.
  

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