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Tough Peabody
Jan 29th, 2014 at 10:04pm
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Not real sure where this fits in the forum. 

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Reply #1 - Jan 30th, 2014 at 8:45am
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I recall seeing that movie many years ago ... but I'm sure not sitting through 1 hour and 46 minutes just to get a glimpse of a Peabody rifle in 56-50 rimfire Wink  ....

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The Peabody rifle was the Grandfather of the Martini-Henry rifle that served Great Britain for ~20 years as the standard issue rifle and for ~40 years more as a Colonial police and Colonial military issue. 

The Peabody had successful trials during the US Civil War, but was too late, with only a few hundred fielded. Martini changed his action to be a hammerless design and Henry changed the rifling design.
  

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Reply #2 - Jan 30th, 2014 at 9:09am
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Plus, Joe, I think your link has a virus in it.  I spent 45 minutes removing a real annoying popup redirector after I clicked on your link and watched about 1 minutes worth.....

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Reply #3 - Jan 30th, 2014 at 9:55am
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Actually, Peabody invented/redesigned the hammerless Peabody rifle before Martini did.  The 56-50 (actually the Peabody 50-50 RF) was a in the carbine.  The Canadian Peabody used a 50 caliber rimfire but with 50-60 rimfire.  They also had a 50-70 rimfire.

Peabody rifles are great, have a wonderful balance.  As one of the "best" of the early breech loaders, like the Remington Rolling block, it was ignored by the US military but went on to arm half the world.

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Reply #4 - Jan 30th, 2014 at 10:55am
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This is a great old film. Not sure how many academy awards it garnered. There's a lot more than a "glimpse" of the old Peabody in the movie.   


Link is straight from youtube. Virus? I am a virus my ownself. 

Sorry about the quality. Rare films are like that.

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Reply #5 - Jan 30th, 2014 at 11:02am
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That film has been a favorite of my wife and me for 30-some years.  The Peabody rifle was just a bonus.  Good story and fine acting.
  

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Reply #6 - Jan 30th, 2014 at 11:10am
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Oliver Reed has the same complexion as John Boehner! Not too bad ... considering it is mid-Winter in DC  Smiley
  

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Reply #7 - Jan 30th, 2014 at 11:46am
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Lefty38-55 wrote on Jan 30th, 2014 at 8:45am:
I recall seeing that movie many years ago ... but I'm sure not sitting through 1 hour and 46 minutes just to get a glimpse of a Peabody rifle in 56-50 rimfire Wink  ....

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The Peabody rifle was the Grandfather of the Martini-Henry rifle that served Great Britain for ~20 years as the standard issue rifle and for ~40 years more as a Colonial police and Colonial military issue. 

The Peabody had successful trials during the US Civil War, but was too late, with only a few hundred fielded. Martini changed his action to be a hammerless design and Henry changed the rifling design.

Lefty,
Were you supplying a generic photo of a Peabody, or was it to represent a .50 RF Peabody ???
Your photo looks like the .41 Swiss model to me.
The only Peabody rifles in .50RF I'm familiar with are the so called Canadian Models.
They would have 3 bands and a rear sight similar to a .58 Springfield.

FWIW, a copy of Ed Hull's book on Peabody's is required reading for anyone interested in the military models.
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Reply #8 - Jan 30th, 2014 at 12:22pm
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Does anyone know why the Peadody name was lost and the Martini name became universal to this type action?

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Reply #9 - Jan 30th, 2014 at 12:41pm
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Frank,
Blame the British military of the 1860-70's.
They did not want to give any credit to Peabody(or any American ?) for the basic dropping block design.Perhaps because of paying royalties on his patent ??
I believe Martini even admitted to using Peabody's design as a basis for what became one of Britain's most illustrious firearms.
Ironically, the Martini design came home to roost when the Turkish government contracted with Providence Tool Co.( who made the original Peabody) to make virtually exact copies of the Martini-Henry; to the tune of about 600,000 rifles.
Providence also produced some stunning target rifles based on the same design; but they were never popular in the U.S.... Gotta have a hammer !!
At least Peabody was given credit then; as they were called Peabody-Martinis.
  
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Reply #10 - Jan 30th, 2014 at 1:07pm
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Thank you, that's good to know about the Turk connection. I'll have to keep a eye out for one of those.

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Reply #11 - Jan 30th, 2014 at 1:25pm
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Frank,
Here is a link to a fascinating account of the effectiveness of the Peabody-Martini against the Russians in the 1870's:
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I think there is a reference to this being the first recorded account of indirect rifle fire to pin down the Russians at something like 2400 yards. Amazing !
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Reply #12 - Jan 30th, 2014 at 1:43pm
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I remember seeing that rifle many years ago and the song, Diamonds and Pearls is still rattling around in my head. I did not watch this. I recall the scene of Reed fighting off the wolf pack by swinging his Peabody rifle at them. As I remember it, the rifle looked like a commercial sporter. I have no idea what caliber it would have been.
  
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Reply #13 - Jan 30th, 2014 at 7:20pm
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I once had a Peabody-Martini military rifle in 50-70. I wonder who these were made for?
  
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Reply #14 - Jan 31st, 2014 at 11:28am
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Here is a link to a fascinating account of the effectiveness of the Peabody-Martini against the Russians in the 1870's:
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I think there is a reference to this being the first recorded account of indirect rifle fire to pin down the Russians at something like 2400 yards. Amazing !


Thanks for linking the Plevna story.  I discovered this myself a few months ago and found it fascinating.  Of course, the P-M rifle was only half of the strategy, the other half being these:
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They beat the crap out of the Russians at long range with the P-M's till they got close, then each soldier laid down his single shot and picked up his Model 1866 Winchester Musket in .44-40 (who knew that was a military cartridge??) and hammered them with rapid fire at close range.  The Russians repeated this scenario on THREE occasions, if memory serves, with many thousands of casualties EACH TIME!

Those of you that haven't read the story, it's WELL worth your time. 
  

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