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Jan 27th, 2014 at 7:00am
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What is the best material for a bullet mold? Aluminum, brass, or cast iron? I know there will be varying opinions, but I would like to hear about the pros and cons of each type.

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Reply #1 - Jan 27th, 2014 at 10:49am
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My first choice would be fine-grained cast iron. My second would be bronze. After that brass is too prone to possible damage and aluminum isn’t even heavy enough for a boat anchor.

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Reply #2 - Jan 27th, 2014 at 11:46am
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From a user's stand point, iron would be at the top, and aluminum would be at the bottom.
From a machinist's stand point, reverse the list.

Aluminum can't be all bad; Lee Products has been making serviceable aluminum molds for years.
You just can't beat the hell out of them or use 'em for a pair of pliers. Wink
  
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Reply #3 - Jan 27th, 2014 at 11:56am
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you have to look at the requirements of a mold to function well and then weigh your requirement.

AL is less expensive and it is easy to machine, so you can get less expensive molds  (i.e.  Lee)  But while some work well they are soft and susceptible to accidental damage.  Also AL heats and cools faster. If you have developed an ingrained casting rhythm you may run into quality control issues unless you alter the rhythm.

However I have several custom double cavity Al molds I ordered from Accurate Molds.  My idea was to test the bullets and reorder in iron  (Tom offers his molds in all three materials)  His blocks are larger than Lee and of a much better Al alloy. Lee seems  to use soft alloy extrusion stock. AA seem to be machined from harder denser AL billet stock.  They don't have as near much temp variation as Lee and they are working out very well for me.  I'm in no hurry to reorder in iron yet.  I have a few more designs I want to try out first.

Iron seems to be the most common, traditional mold material (though brass was very common in the M/L era probably for cost/tech reasons). 
Assuming the block size and the bullet(s) cavities are well proportioned they hold the heat well, are durable, etc etc.   The main downside is that they rust and require special care for storeage.  ( I have had a couple Metal-Lifed and really ought to have a few additional favorites so treated
The gross weight of iron molds which is a factor in their heat dynamics can be a problem.  Large block multicavity molds weigh a lot when lead is added; and big bore bullet runs can create hand wrist strain for aging joints.   Extensive casting could result in RSI injuries.
I have little experience with brass/bronze mold but it seems to fall between the other two
Assuming you are comparing the same bullet design machined to equally tight QC standards form the same shop, most of us would probably find iron would be the best bang for the buck in the long run.
  

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Reply #4 - Jan 27th, 2014 at 12:03pm
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I have cast bullets from an Eagan mould (brass, I believe), and it cast beautifully.

Otherwise, I prefer fine-grained cast iron custom moulds.

I have tried the Lee aluminum moulds, and while they cast acceptable bullets, they are not very durable, and the sprue plate adjustment is not very good.  I have not cast bullets with a good, custom aluminum mould.

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Reply #5 - Jan 27th, 2014 at 12:40pm
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This is from Accurate Moulds site;

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What are some of the properties of the different mold metals?

2024 Aluminum is very durable, light weight, and inexpensive. Its propensity to change temperature quickly is seen by some as a disadvantage, since molds produce their best bullets within a narrow temperature sweet spot.

Ductile Iron is the most durable of the commonly used mold metals. It is easier to maintain a more consistent temperature. It is lighter weight than brass and heavier than aluminum. Its biggest disadvantage is propensity to rust. Iron is rough on delicate boring tools, and thus it is the most expensive.

360 Brass is a bit heavier than iron, and costs less because of ease of machining. It maintains temperature very well, and cavities machine mirror bright. Some see its weight as a disadvantage.

Sprew plates and hardware are carbon steel.

My favorite for my own casting is aluminum.


I have one of his aluminum moulds for a tapered .40cal and I'm happy with it. It heats up quick and casts great bullets. I get few rejects after warm up.

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Reply #6 - Jan 28th, 2014 at 12:00am
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Lee molds are great due to their low cost when you want to find out if a rifle is a possible shooter or if you have some gun that you don't plan on shooting a lot.  I have several and the only problem I've had is the scraping of the top of the mold by lead hanging on the bottom of the sprue plate.  That's an operator error though.  Most of the iron molds I have needed a light lapping to help with the bullet release and you do have to watch out for rust.  I've used one brass mold and it was a real pleasure so I just ordered one from Accurate molds for my 32-20 and I will post the results.  The bottom line for all of them I think is that if it's a well made mold it will cast good bullets.  If the mold has some manufacturing problems it can get frustrating!  Especially when you call the manufacturer and the rep says it's within their tolerances. Makes you wonder if they ever cast a bullet or if they just got the job answering the phone.
  
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Reply #7 - Jan 28th, 2014 at 12:05am
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My favorite molds are brass from Old West.  Second favorites are cast iron from good custom makers.  Last in all regards are aluminum molds.

Brass molds that I have come to temperature better and cast more uniform bullets.  They also drop the bullets nicely.  Iron is harder to keep at a uniform temp than brass, but is more durable and once to temperature casts good bullets.  I have more problems with lead sticking to them and them not closing well than I do with brass.

Aluminum varies temperature way too much, is susceptible to damage, and generally doesn't seem to work as well in any respect.  Most of mine are NEI, and some LBT, not cheap Lee, so workmanship shouldn't be the problem.

Walt Melander used to tell customers that he liked aluminum molds:  They were easy to machine and the customers that used them a lot soon came back and bought a mehanite mold instead.

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Reply #8 - Jan 29th, 2014 at 12:22am
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Something I discovered not too long ago that works real well to keep lead from sticking to a mold is to smear the offending area with a China marker (grease pencil) and rub it around with a bit of paper towel on a matchstick.  It stays where you put it and lasts quite awhile. Most of you may have figured it out already but it was new to me.
  
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Reply #9 - Jan 29th, 2014 at 12:31pm
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What about unobtanium? Anyone?

Aluminium molds suck. 

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Reply #10 - Jan 29th, 2014 at 12:38pm
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I've searched and never had any luck finding them for sale.  I think Dale Reynolds, Jeff Schultz and a few other guys have cornered the market for them Grin
  

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Reply #11 - Jan 29th, 2014 at 2:07pm
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Aluminium molds suck.

Accurate aluminum mold ...
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Bullets cast with this Accurate mold ...
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Ordered the mold in 1:20.  Heated the pot to 780 degrees - cast with a 5 second pour - sprue puddle frost in 7 seconds.  Results:
* 04 bullets = 209.8 - 209.9 
* 96 bullets = 210.4 - 210.8 
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Reply #12 - Jan 29th, 2014 at 2:20pm
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Looks like unobtainium to me. Looks just like aluminium. 

Aluminium molds look great when new.   

Have some non Lee molds that work okay. Mold release helps.

Aluminium molds suck.


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Reply #13 - Jan 29th, 2014 at 2:56pm
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John,

The results I'm getting with my Accurate aluminum mould mirrors yours. I had some reservations before ordering mine based on my experience with others. After casting about a thousand or so bullets with mine I have no complaints. 

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Reply #14 - Jan 29th, 2014 at 4:17pm
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Bob, my next Accurate, yo Joe - Aluminum mold Grin,  is going to be the 5 cavity clone of the Colt 454190. sized for wheel weights.
I bought a group buy Lee 6 cavity of the 45190 - drops the bullets at 260gr not 250gr 
I cast 40 lbs of the 454190's at a session and then pan lube them.  My pan lube record so far without the cake breaking is 200 bullets Smiley
  
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