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frnkeore Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 7324 Location: Central Point, OR 97502 Joined: Jun 16^th, 2010	Re: Hopkins & Allen 922 Reply #15 - Jan 21^st, 2014 at 12:50pm	Print Post
	Thanks Dave, Thats the very first one I've seen with any color left on it. Frank

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leon Ex Member	Re: Hopkins & Allen 922 Reply #16 - Jan 21^st, 2014 at 3:08pm	Print Post
	My wife is planning to be gone for about a week in February so maybe I could get by with it.


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kootne Senior Forum Member Offline Posts: 441 Location: Libby, Mt. Joined: Mar 6^th, 2012	Re: Hopkins & Allen 922 Reply #17 - Jan 21^st, 2014 at 8:11pm	Print Post
	I've got most of a .32rf version with oct. barrel and colored reciever almost as good as Dave's. Does anybody have the following parts? lever spring firing pin (i think it also uses a spring) rear sight elevator trigger that isn't wore or broke thanks, kootne

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uscra112 Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 4079 Location: Switzerland of Ohio Joined: May 7^th, 2007	Re: Hopkins & Allen 922 Reply #18 - Jan 21^st, 2014 at 9:30pm	Print Post
	Quote: uscra112 wrote on Jan 21^st, 2014 at 10:18am: Before you go hunting for alternate wood for it, take what you've got and run it through a dishwasher, using trisodium phosphate (find it in the paint dept. at Tru Value Hardware) and the hottest water you can set for. This is the modern equivalent of the oldtimers' trick of boiling the wood in a TSP solution. You will be amazed how much dirt and old oil it will get out. Dry for a week, glue up any cracks with PVA, then refinish with ordinary boiled linseed oil. The 932 in my picture got that treatment, and it improved from looking like junk to tolerably nice. I've done at least half a dozen stocks this way. Does no harm to the wood, or the dishwasher. Does your wife share your opinion about not doing harm to the dishwasher ?? My best bit of fortune in life is that I got divorced in 1977, after 13 years of hell, and never took up that cross again. never will, either, unless I find one that can tolerate the bench lathe and the reloading gear in the living room!

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uscra112 Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 4079 Location: Switzerland of Ohio Joined: May 7^th, 2007	Re: Hopkins & Allen 922 Reply #19 - Jan 21^st, 2014 at 9:34pm	Print Post
	Quote: My wife is planning to be gone for about a week in February so maybe I could get by with it. You will. If you run it through one more time, empty, using the TSP in the soap dispenser, she will never know. BTW add a teaspoon of the TSP every time you do the dishes. They will be a LOT cleaner !

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coljimmy Senior Forum Member Offline Posts: 283 Joined: Nov 10^th, 2012	Re: Hopkins & Allen 922 Reply #20 - Jan 21^st, 2014 at 10:17pm	Print Post
	The beauty of the H&A 32 rim fire is that you can easily convert the falling block to 32 long Colt by simply makeing a replacement link slightly longer to raise the block a little higher (not too much or the hammer will miss the fireing pin and of course be quieter). The Colt cartridge is the same dimention as the rim fire. H&A made bucketfuls of .32 and .38 S&W pistols so they had the tools to chamber rifles likewise which should explain the improbable .38 S&W calibre rifle. BTW, the 722 is a rolling block like the Crack Shot and the 822 is a "leaning" block with the lever and the block made as one solid piece of metal according to de Haas. James


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coljimmy Senior Forum Member Offline Posts: 283 Joined: Nov 10^th, 2012	Re: Hopkins & Allen 922 Reply #21 - Jan 21^st, 2014 at 10:28pm	Print Post
	Almost forgot: my 922 marked so on the barrel has a 6 o'clock extracter. Maybe there is no "standard" Hopkins & Allen??? also, a cheap ballpoint pen retractor spring makes a nice fireing pin spring for these. James


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uscra112 Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 4079 Location: Switzerland of Ohio Joined: May 7^th, 2007	Re: Hopkins & Allen 922 Reply #22 - Jan 21^st, 2014 at 11:27pm	Print Post
	Might be a swap-out? Mine is rollstamped two separate lines: "MADE BY HOPKINS & ALLEN MANFG CO NORWICH CONN USA" and then THE MERWIN HULBERT & CO. JUNIOR PAT JUNE 23. 85 OCT 2. 98 But I had it backwards - My 22 Junior has the 9 0'clock extractor, and the 932 has the 6 o'clock extractor. @ coljimmy - Does yours have the barrel retainer pin going across the action? If so I'm wondering if they had a transitional model that used the Junior frame but the 922 barrel?

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uscra112 Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 4079 Location: Switzerland of Ohio Joined: May 7^th, 2007	Re: Hopkins & Allen 922 Reply #23 - Jan 22^nd, 2014 at 1:27am	Print Post
	Hmmph! My idea that the Junior stopped at the fire must be all wet. Here's one allegedly marked Junior, with the Merwin Hulbert marking as well, yet it's the longer frame with the barrel screw on the bottom. Thus marked, it at least ought to predate the Merwin bankruptcy, which was 1896. Maybe barrels salvaged from the fire, or in the possession of suppliers, got used to make rifles after 1900 on the new frame? Not impossible - even Winchester and Colt are said to have used ten and twenty year old parts in building guns in the '20s and '30s. This is bugging me. I need to find out if Cornell has a pre-1900 catalog. And there's the book by Charles Carder. which I cannot find my copy now. Grrr.
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leon Ex Member	Re: Hopkins & Allen 922 Reply #24 - Jan 22^nd, 2014 at 6:32am	Print Post
	uscra112 wrote on Jan 21^st, 2014 at 10:18am: Before you go hunting for alternate wood for it, take what you've got and run it through a dishwasher, using trisodium phosphate (find it in the paint dept. at Tru Value Hardware) and the hottest water you can set for. This is the modern equivalent of the oldtimers' trick of boiling the wood in a TSP solution. You will be amazed how much dirt and old oil it will get out. Dry for a week, glue up any cracks with PVA, then refinish with ordinary boiled linseed oil. The 932 in my picture got that treatment, and it improved from looking like junk to tolerably nice. I've done at least half a dozen stocks this way. Does no harm to the wood, or the dishwasher. Pardon my ignorance, but what is PVA?


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leon Ex Member	Re: Hopkins & Allen 922 Reply #25 - Jan 22^nd, 2014 at 6:35am	Print Post
	uscra112 wrote on Jan 20^th, 2014 at 10:27pm: Yup, definitely a late model 922. Deluxe model, since it has the octagon barrel. Have never seen one with that deep curved buttplate before, but H&A did all kinds of variations. Doesn't look too awful bad - a liner in the barrel and a general cleaning and tightening-up will make it a decent plinker or small-game rifle for a youngster. I've picked numerous squirrels off the feeder with mine. Barrel retention screw could be from a Favorite, but it's not at all unlike the one on my 822 and 932. Could just as well be original. @coljimmy - You and I both have Juniors, with the 6 o'clock extractor. As far as I have read, these pre-date the 922/932, which design has a somewhat longer frame and the 9 o'clock extractor. Best info I have, as I have not bought all the earliest catalog reprints from Cornell Pubs. With the much higher serial numbers mentioned in this thread, don't you mean "early" model 922?


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leon Ex Member	Re: Hopkins & Allen 922 Reply #26 - Jan 22^nd, 2014 at 7:07am	Print Post
	uscra112 wrote on Jan 21^st, 2014 at 11:27pm: Might be a swap-out? Mine is rollstamped two separate lines: "MADE BY HOPKINS & ALLEN MANFG CO NORWICH CONN USA" and then THE MERWIN HULBERT & CO. JUNIOR PAT JUNE 23. 85 OCT 2. 98 But I had it backwards - My 22 Junior has the 9 0'clock extractor, and the 932 has the 6 o'clock extractor. @ coljimmy - Does yours have the barrel retainer pin going across the action? If so I'm wondering if they had a transitional model that used the Junior frame but the 922 barrel? My barrel is roll stamped "MADE BY THE HOPKINS & ALLEN ARMS CO. NORWICH CONN. U. S. A." Nothing else on the barrel other than the afore mentioned "22 R. F." There is no barrel retaining pin across the action. The take down screw goes into a recess in the bottom of barrel and thus retains it, just like on a Stevens Favorite. Somebody above mentioned the high quality rear sight on mine. Well, I just discovered that additionally the front sight has a very small white insert at the top rear giving a white bead.


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uscra112 Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 4079 Location: Switzerland of Ohio Joined: May 7^th, 2007	Re: Hopkins & Allen 922 Reply #27 - Jan 22^nd, 2014 at 8:22am	Print Post
	PVA is Poly Vinyl Acetate. Titebond wood glue. Best stuff there is for gluing clean dry wood. Water based, you can fill a crack, squeeze it shut, and wipe off the excess with a sponge, without filling the grain so that a new finish won't take. (Why I never use epoxies or polyester resins for fixing stock wood.) Hopkins and Allen Manfg Co. was re-incorporated as "Hopkinis and Allen Arms Co." in December 1898, as a consequence of the financial losses suffered due to the 1896 Merwin Hulbert bankruptcy.

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uscra112 Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 4079 Location: Switzerland of Ohio Joined: May 7^th, 2007	Re: Hopkins & Allen 922 Reply #28 - Jan 22^nd, 2014 at 8:41am	Print Post
	Hah ! Found my copy of Carder. He says that the Junior serial #s end at 9992. He also says that the 6 o'clock extractor was introduced about 1910, so Leon is right, this is an earlier model than I had supposed. And there was a change to the shape of the finger lever in 1912. Cornell Pubs. sells a reprint of Carder for $19.95, BTW.
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wthw Participating Member Offline Posts: 10 Location: jamaica Joined: Sep 29^th, 2008	Re: Hopkins & Allen 922 Reply #29 - Jan 24^th, 2014 at 5:03pm	Print Post
	J.J. Grant's book "Still More Single Shot Rifles" has adds from the 1915 H&A catalog in which they list the 922 "Junior", 1922 & 1932 with oct. bbl., 2922 & 2932 with oct' bbl and checkered stocks, 3922 Schuetzen and 3925 Schuetzen in 25-20 SS. Starts on page 57.


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