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Cat_Whisperer Frequent Elocutionist Offline No 1, 9.3x74R Posts: 3874 Location: Mountains of Virginia Joined: Apr 17^th, 2004	Re: "Wind" Reply #45 - Jan 3^rd, 2014 at 9:56am	Print Post
	joeb33050 wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2014 at 6:17am: So, we're all in agreement here. Thanks for the many .meaningful contributions. Now to move on to the BUT sometimes three or four features that are individually insignificant will collectively make a large difference; as in tuning a rifle explanation. This may take a while. (So many errors, so little time.) I'll take this as a statement and not a question. No point in explaining something that you wouldn't consider. The statement was made to me by a gunsmith, who was also a tool and die maker and shot in the Olympics.

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joeb33050 Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 2613 Location: Marathon, FL Joined: Apr 20^th, 2004	Re: "Wind" Reply #46 - Jan 3^rd, 2014 at 2:40pm	Print Post
	Is it synergy? Are you trying to think of synergy? Did the gunsmith, olympics shooter, movie star, physicist, Nobel laureate, tall guy mean synergy? Why would you let a word like synergy escape? Cat_Whisperer wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2014 at 9:56am: joeb33050 wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2014 at 6:17am: So, we're all in agreement here. Thanks for the many .meaningful contributions. Now to move on to the BUT sometimes three or four features that are individually insignificant will collectively make a large difference; as in tuning a rifle explanation. This may take a while. (So many errors, so little time.) I'll take this as a statement and not a question. No point in explaining something that you wouldn't consider. The statement was made to me by a gunsmith, who was also a tool and die maker and shot in the Olympics.


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Cat_Whisperer Frequent Elocutionist Offline No 1, 9.3x74R Posts: 3874 Location: Mountains of Virginia Joined: Apr 17^th, 2004	Re: "Wind" Reply #47 - Jan 3^rd, 2014 at 2:45pm	Print Post
	What's your point? joeb33050 wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2014 at 2:40pm: Is it synergy? Are you trying to think of synergy? Did the gunsmith, olympics shooter, movie star, physicist, Nobel laureate, tall guy mean synergy? Why would you let a word like synergy escape? Cat_Whisperer wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2014 at 9:56am: joeb33050 wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2014 at 6:17am: So, we're all in agreement here. Thanks for the many .meaningful contributions. Now to move on to the BUT sometimes three or four features that are individually insignificant will collectively make a large difference; as in tuning a rifle explanation. This may take a while. (So many errors, so little time.) I'll take this as a statement and not a question. No point in explaining something that you wouldn't consider. The statement was made to me by a gunsmith, who was also a tool and die maker and shot in the Olympics.

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SteveC Full Member Offline Posts: 105 Location: Tacoma Joined: Aug 16^th, 2007	Re: "Wind" Reply #48 - Jan 4^th, 2014 at 3:04am	Print Post
	You guys are crackin' me up. The horse is dead. Please, somebody dig the hole so we can bury the poor critter.


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westerner Frequent Elocutionist Offline deleted posts and threads record holder. Posts: 11438 Location: Why, out West of course Joined: May 29^th, 2006	Re: "Wind" Reply #49 - Jan 4^th, 2014 at 3:26am	Print Post
	As far as I'm concerned, it's not over till Jon Sjolander says it's over. Joe.

	A blind squirrel runs into a tree every once in a while.
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BP Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 8039 Location: Westside Joined: Aug 27^th, 2006	Re: "Wind" Reply #50 - Jan 4^th, 2014 at 3:46am	Print Post
	Not to worry. Like the phoenix, it will rise again.

	There are three kinds of men: The ones that learn by reading, the few who learn by observation, and the rest who have to pee on the electric fence and find out for themselves. Proud Noodlehead
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QuestionableMaynard8130 Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 4144 Location: Benton Harbor MI Joined: Apr 17^th, 2004	Re: "Wind" Reply #51 - Jan 4^th, 2014 at 11:03am	Print Post
	Phoenix not hardly, phoenix is an emblem of hope and most of those who engage here have lost that cherry a long time ago. It more like a zombie-phoenix

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graduated peep Ex Member	Re: "Wind" Reply #52 - Jan 4^th, 2014 at 3:50pm	Print Post
	Phoenix was an odd ball single shot peddled by Whitney. Jeez, I thought youse guys woulda knowed that !


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Cat_Whisperer Frequent Elocutionist Offline No 1, 9.3x74R Posts: 3874 Location: Mountains of Virginia Joined: Apr 17^th, 2004	Re: "Wind" Reply #53 - Jan 4^th, 2014 at 5:13pm	Print Post
	Quote: Phoenix was an odd ball single shot peddled by Whitney. Jeez, I thought youse guys woulda knowed that ! Now that you mention it. IT HAS been a few years though. (You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links) scroll down a bunch

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cheatin_charlie Senior Forum Member Offline Posts: 347 Location: ohio Joined: Jan 10^th, 2009	Re: "Wind" Reply #54 - Jan 7^th, 2014 at 7:04am	Print Post
	Just to beat a dead horse I added this link on wind drift. It has been a while since I did any serious bench shooting but this may explain why it is harder to shoot 200 yd groups than 100 yard groups. Possibly not picking up all the small wind changes is moving the bullet a lot more than a shooter would think. I am not expert I will leave that to others. I will say I did not know this. For what it is worth mirage and wind go hand in hand. (You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links)


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joeb33050 Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 2613 Location: Marathon, FL Joined: Apr 20^th, 2004	Re: "Wind" Reply #55 - Jan 7^th, 2014 at 8:06am	Print Post
	t just so happens that I have an article explaining wind drift. cheatin_charlie wrote on Jan 7^th, 2014 at 7:04am: Just to beat a dead horse I added this link on wind drift. It has been a while since I did any serious bench shooting but this may explain why it is harder to shoot 200 yd groups than 100 yard groups. Possibly not picking up all the small wind changes is moving the bullet a lot more than a shooter would think. I am not expert I will leave that to others. I will say I did not know this. For what it is worth mirage and wind go hand in hand. (You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links)

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jeffer1942 Senior Forum Member ASSRA Target Sales Offline Posts: 282 Location: Chicago North suburb Joined: May 31^st, 2004	Re: "Wind" Reply #56 - Jan 7^th, 2014 at 10:08am	Print Post
	JoeB: Read your "wind drift article" and agree with your conclusion, which I have included here: "The 100 yard wind drift, the doubling of that wind drift and the continuation of sideways movement are all determined by the wind from 100 to 200 yards. The time lag wind drift from 100 to 200 yards is determined by the wind from 100 to 200 yards. So, ~ three fourths of 200 yard wind drift is determined by 0 to 100 yard wind, and one fourth is determined by 100 to 200 yard wind. Closer wind varies wind drift more than does wind further away." Your result has been common knowledge in that the wind effect at the muzzle and for the first portion of a bullet's flight has the major effect on the target beyond 100 yds. Your math and examples finally make sense, at least to my math challenged brain!


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cheatin_charlie Senior Forum Member Offline Posts: 347 Location: ohio Joined: Jan 10^th, 2009	Re: "Wind" Reply #57 - Jan 7^th, 2014 at 10:44am	Print Post
	No problem with wind closer to the muzzle being the most important. But this is what I never knew: The fact that lateral deflection increases with the SQUARE of the distance (roughly speaking) means that shooting at distance is ALL about gauging the wind — and ranging your target precisely. And that’s why it’s WAY harder to shoot .5 moa at 1000 yards than it is to shoot .25 moa at 100 yards.


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CaryT Full Member Offline Posts: 185 Location: Yelm, WA Joined: Sep 28^th, 2012	Re: "Wind" Reply #58 - Jan 7^th, 2014 at 12:40pm	Print Post
	And that's the truth. "The fact that lateral deflection increases with the SQUARE of the distance (roughly speaking) means that shooting at distance is ALL about gauging the wind — and ranging your target precisely. And that’s why it’s WAY harder to shoot .5 moa at 1000 yards than it is to shoot .25 moa at 100 yards."


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40_Rod Frequent Elocutionist Offline Extremism in the persuit of accuracy is not a vice Posts: 4285 Location: Knoxville, TN Joined: Apr 20^th, 2004	Re: "Wind" Reply #59 - Jan 7^th, 2014 at 12:55pm	Print Post
	This Huricane has to die out sometime. Never saw the wind blow so hard for so long. 40 Rod


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