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Re: "Wind"
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joeb33050 wrote
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So, we're all in agreement here. Thanks for the many .meaningful contributions. Now to move on to the
BUT sometimes three or four features that are individually insignificant will collectively make a large difference; as in tuning a rifle
explanation. This may take a while. (So many errors, so little time.)
I'll take this as a statement and not a question.
No point in explaining something that you wouldn't consider. The statement was made to me by a gunsmith, who was also a tool and die maker and shot in the Olympics.
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Is it synergy? Are you trying to think of synergy? Did the gunsmith, olympics shooter, movie star, physicist, Nobel laureate, tall guy mean synergy? Why would you let a word like synergy escape?
Cat_Whisperer wrote
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joeb33050 wrote
on Jan 3
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So, we're all in agreement here. Thanks for the many .meaningful contributions. Now to move on to the
BUT sometimes three or four features that are individually insignificant will collectively make a large difference; as in tuning a rifle
explanation. This may take a while. (So many errors, so little time.)
I'll take this as a statement and not a question.
No point in explaining something that you wouldn't consider. The statement was made to me by a gunsmith, who was also a tool and die maker and shot in the Olympics.
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Re: "Wind"
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What's your point?
joeb33050 wrote
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Is it synergy? Are you trying to think of synergy? Did the gunsmith, olympics shooter, movie star, physicist, Nobel laureate, tall guy mean synergy? Why would you let a word like synergy escape?
Cat_Whisperer wrote
on Jan 3
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joeb33050 wrote
on Jan 3
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, 2014 at 6:17am:
So, we're all in agreement here. Thanks for the many .meaningful contributions. Now to move on to the
BUT sometimes three or four features that are individually insignificant will collectively make a large difference; as in tuning a rifle
explanation. This may take a while. (So many errors, so little time.)
I'll take this as a statement and not a question.
No point in explaining something that you wouldn't consider. The statement was made to me by a gunsmith, who was also a tool and die maker and shot in the Olympics.
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Re: "Wind"
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You guys are crackin' me up. The horse is dead. Please, somebody dig the hole so we can bury the poor critter.
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Re: "Wind"
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As far as I'm concerned, it's not over till Jon Sjolander says it's over.
Joe.
A blind squirrel runs into a tree every once in a while.
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Not to worry.
Like the phoenix, it will rise again.
There are three kinds of men: The ones that learn by reading, the few who learn by observation, and the rest who have to pee on the electric fence and find out for themselves.
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Phoenix not hardly, phoenix is an emblem of hope and most of those who engage here have lost that cherry a long time ago.
It more like a zombie-phoenix
sacred cows make the best burger
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Phoenix was an odd ball single shot peddled by Whitney.
Jeez, I thought youse guys woulda knowed that !
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Re: "Wind"
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Phoenix was an odd ball single shot peddled by Whitney.
Jeez, I thought youse guys woulda knowed that !
Now that you mention it.
IT HAS been a few years though.
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Re: "Wind"
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Just to beat a dead horse I added this link on wind drift. It has been a while since I did
any serious bench shooting but this may explain why it is harder to shoot 200 yd groups
than 100 yard groups. Possibly not picking up all the small wind changes is moving the
bullet a lot more than a shooter would think. I am not expert I will leave that to others.
I will say I did not know this. For what it is worth mirage and wind go hand in hand.
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t just so happens that I have an article explaining wind drift.
cheatin_charlie wrote
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Just to beat a dead horse I added this link on wind drift. It has been a while since I did
any serious bench shooting but this may explain why it is harder to shoot 200 yd groups
than 100 yard groups. Possibly not picking up all the small wind changes is moving the
bullet a lot more than a shooter would think. I am not expert I will leave that to others.
I will say I did not know this. For what it is worth mirage and wind go hand in hand.
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Re: "Wind"
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JoeB:
Read your "wind drift article" and agree with your conclusion, which I have included here:
"The 100 yard wind drift, the doubling of that wind drift and the continuation of sideways movement are all determined by the wind from 100 to 200 yards.
The time lag wind drift from 100 to 200 yards is determined by the wind from 100 to 200 yards.
So, ~ three fourths of 200 yard wind drift is determined by 0 to 100 yard wind, and one fourth is determined by 100 to 200 yard wind.
Closer wind varies wind drift more than does wind further away."
Your result has been common knowledge in that the wind effect at the muzzle and for the first portion of a bullet's flight has the major effect on the target beyond 100 yds. Your math and examples finally make sense, at least to my math challenged brain!
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Re: "Wind"
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No problem with wind closer to the muzzle being the most important. But this is what
I never knew:
The fact that lateral deflection increases with the SQUARE of the distance (roughly speaking) means that shooting at distance is ALL about gauging the wind — and ranging your target precisely. And that’s why it’s WAY harder to shoot .5 moa at 1000 yards than it is to shoot .25 moa at 100 yards.
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And that's the truth.
"The fact that lateral deflection increases with the SQUARE of the distance (roughly speaking) means that shooting at distance is ALL about gauging the wind — and ranging your target precisely.
And that’s why it’s WAY harder to shoot .5 moa at 1000 yards than it is to shoot .25 moa at 100 yards.
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Re: "Wind"
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This Huricane has to die out sometime. Never saw the wind blow so hard for so long.
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