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Reply #15 - Jan 2nd, 2014 at 10:20am
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Shooting BPCR in a tight-breeched rifle, I had issues of primers standing proud of the base, which made closing the action pretty hard.  turns out the issue was primer residue in the primer pockets.  Took me quite a bit of time to find the cause too.  So yes, for BPCR, cleaning primer pockets is pretty important functionally.  No idea if it helps accuracy or not.    But the functional element was enough to convince me to clean those primer pockets...
  
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Reply #16 - Jan 2nd, 2014 at 10:34am
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Like Boats I use 4227 in a .32-40 plus I use large pistol primers.  I have found that if I do not keep the primer pocket relatively clean shots will go high, and by that I mean 4-6 inches high and suddenly.  The carbon residue build-up was not as noticeable when using large rifle primers but with the pistol primers being ever so much shorter, it seems, the build-up is more dramatic and does keep the primer from seating all of the way into the pocket.

No scientific method here just my observations.

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Re: Primer pocket cleaning
Reply #17 - Jan 2nd, 2014 at 12:26pm
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You don't mean what you wrote. What you mean is that with a certain set of equipment, with a certain set of skilled shooters, wind-doping is very important.
You don't mean that a good wind-doper with a NEF Handi Rifle and a Tasco scope on canvas sand bags will beat a properly equipped br shooter who is slightly less able to dope the wind.
Tell us the order of importance of the variables-any classification you want. I use equipment, skill and "Wind"; put in as few or as many as you wish. I want to know if ex primer pocket cleaning is more/less important than shooting in the order cast.
Isn't that what accuracy-seeking is all about?

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I am eliminating as many steps in my reloading as possible to save time (but still striving for quality components) and am happy with results, Wind reading is certainly the most important factor as it was in the B/R also

  
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Re: Primer pocket cleaning
Reply #18 - Jan 2nd, 2014 at 12:45pm
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Joe 
Here is how I know. First I shoot one cartridge until the primer pocket needs cleaning. Then I clean out the primer pocket, then reload as normal. When the bullet goes into the same group I am pretty sure that cleaning the primer pocket didn't affect the shot.
  I know that’s a little hard for you to follow. It’s a new fangled scientific method called observation.

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Reply #19 - Jan 2nd, 2014 at 12:55pm
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When I was shooting Competitive BR 6PPC HV, I did every meticulous step in reloading to make sure I was maximizing all potential. I think this was more Psychological than anything , but still an important step for me. Now shooting informally a wide variety of antiques at 200 & 300 M . I am eliminating as many steps in my reloading as possible to save time (but still striving for quality components) and am happy with results, Wind reading is certainly the most important factor as it was in the B/R also


Simplicity, simplicity, simplicity!  (Thoreau - Walden)  Which demands evaluation of relative significance of each element.

If it doesn't matter, why do it.

BUT sometimes three or four features that are individually insignificant will collectively make a large difference; as in tuning a rifle.

  

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Reply #20 - Jan 2nd, 2014 at 1:11pm
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Do a poll, CW, do a poll.

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Reply #21 - Jan 2nd, 2014 at 1:29pm
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Joe, are you snowed in? You seem bored the way you are poking everyone!  Grin
  

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Reply #22 - Jan 2nd, 2014 at 1:46pm
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Me or JoeB?   

A primer pocket poll would be interesting. CW knows how to do a poll. I tried to do one once, beyond me.  Cry


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Reply #23 - Jan 2nd, 2014 at 5:39pm
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It's far less work to clean the primer pockets than is it to "prove" that doing so makes a difference  Grin

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Reply #24 - Jan 2nd, 2014 at 8:36pm
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The secret to winning off the bench in plainbase bullet competition is to eliminate all the variables as is possible. If one feels that cleaning the pockets has no ill effects you have defeated that entire purpose. There is no need for testing if one simply removes that varible as it no longer exists and does not require any further attention. This also holds true for all of the others one encounters along the way that can simply eliminated. It then becomes time to educate yourself on how to work with those that cannot be eliminated to your best advantage. It makes the process of evaluating what might be going a very simple process as you now only have a very minimal amount to analyze to determine and to correct the cause. If one chooses to leave all or some of the variables on the table it can become a very daunting task to become a very proficient PB cast bullet benchrest shooter / competitor. I felt the need to share this in responce to Joe B's request for any test results that I might be able to provide and as one can now see there wasn't any need for any testing to actually take place.

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Reply #25 - Jan 3rd, 2014 at 6:08am
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JLouis wrote on Jan 2nd, 2014 at 8:36pm:
The secret to winning off the bench in plainbase bullet competition is to eliminate all the variables as is possible. If one feels that cleaning the pockets has no ill effects you have defeated that entire purpose. There is no need for testing if one simply removes that varible as it no longer exists and does not require any further attention. This also holds true for all of the others one encounters along the way that can simply eliminated. It then becomes time to educate yourself on how to work with those that cannot be eliminated to your best advantage. It makes the process of evaluating what might be going a very simple process as you now only have a very minimal amount to analyze to determine and to correct the cause. If one chooses to leave all or some of the variables on the table it can become a very daunting task to become a very proficient PB cast bullet benchrest shooter / competitor. I felt the need to share this in responce to Joe B's request for any test results that I might be able to provide and as one can now see there wasn't any need for any testing to actually take place.

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Reply #26 - Jan 3rd, 2014 at 6:09am
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gunlaker wrote on Jan 2nd, 2014 at 5:39pm:
It's far less work to clean the primer pockets than is it to "prove" that doing so makes a difference  Grin

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Re: Primer pocket cleaning
Reply #27 - Jan 3rd, 2014 at 7:53am
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Looks kind of like cleaning primer pockets has little effect, until it doesn't.   That is, until the residue builds up enough to interfere with mechanically consistent function/ignition, any primer grunge variable is probably masked by some/any/all of the other variables we have to deal with.

When shooting at the bench I tend to scrape them out (wait does that subtly change the primer pocket, damn another variable) every four or five shots.  of course I also keep a rabbits foot in the back left hand corner of the middle drawer in my bench tool box.
  

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Reply #28 - Jan 3rd, 2014 at 9:54am
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Joe B an aircraft designer of the highest order would eleminate all known possible negative varibles not required to achieve a succesful design prior to the start of production. 

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Re: Primer pocket cleaning
Reply #29 - Jan 3rd, 2014 at 10:51am
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I have shot in the Benchrest Agg at Etna Green since it was introduced. Shooting that match has taught me a lot. First it was my equipment that needed to be up graded. Then my technique needed to be fine-tuned. Finally the skill that I struggle with most, reading the wind. The game is two marked targets shot every day for all 4 days of the match. While you have all day to shoot the targets, in truth, the first relay of the day is the best time to shoot. I have noticed my targets are almost never as good in the second relay as the first. So last year I resolved to do my best to get all 20 shots off in the first relay. I have honed my reloading routine so I do the same things in the same order every time. Open the action and eject the case, seat a new bullet decap, recap, drop powder, add and seat the wad, load, return the scope to battery, set the trigger. Adding another step increases the time I’m off the gun and not watching the wind flags. Because in my load I don’t experience off shots when I clean the primer pocket after 20 or so shots I don’t hesitate to clean and move on. But if I don’t have to I don’t.
  
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