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Primer pocket cleaning
Dec 31st, 2013 at 10:17pm
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Just how important is it to clean the pocket between reloads. Has anyone any hard evidance to back it up, or is it something we have just always done. I have almost always deprimed the cases and than run them through the vibrator for about four hours than reloaded. Did not specificily clean out the primer pocket.
Have used this method, new cases and cleaned pocket cases and have not seen any differance in groups.
  
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Reply #1 - Dec 31st, 2013 at 10:25pm
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Just how important is it to clean the pocket between reloads.
It can be said - not important at all ...
My friend, Bill Roth kept a chart of his 44-40 brass. Before he died, none of the cases were cleaned for 16 times and each reload ignited with no high primers or fails to ignite

Me? Deprimed each time shot and cleaned in a rotary tumbler with burnishing solution & ceramic media - both smokeless & black powder
  
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Reply #2 - Dec 31st, 2013 at 10:47pm
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Depends on what discipline you are talking about and the required accuracy to remain extremely  competitive. For my discipline Benchrest AS Schuetzen it is extremely important for me to keep the pockets clean in order to achieve extremely consistent ignition from one shot to the next. For other disciplines such as BPCS as an example one would probably never realize that it does indeed make a difference. 

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Re: Primer pocket cleaning
Reply #3 - Dec 31st, 2013 at 10:48pm
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I made three new firing pins for a friends hiwall in one shooting season. Was a Neidner system. Finally watched him shoot during a match. He was using IMR 4759 without a wad. Burned dirty without a wad on the powder. Was not cleaning the primer pocket during long strings. Watched him force the lever closed. The primer pocket was getting so dirty, the primer would not seat flush. Breech block was shaving primer metal and depositing it into the firing pin hole. After a while the pin would break. After much haranguing, got him to clean the primer pocket after each shot. Has had the same pin in it for over twenty years now.
I always clean the primer pocket and flash hole every time the brass is reloaded. 

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Re: Primer pocket cleaning
Reply #4 - Jan 1st, 2014 at 2:33am
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I always clean my primer pockets.   

Some very competitive shooters  declare it is a waste of time to clean primer pockets.

I believe accuracy can be affected by:

1.  the additional fouling when the accumulated residues are redistributed down the barrel

2. change in ignition timing and/or striker force of primers at different heights due to residue accumulations in the primer pocket

Difficult to prove cause and effect here - however might as well take the safe approach just in case.
  
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Re: Primer pocket cleaning
Reply #5 - Jan 1st, 2014 at 9:28am
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I clean primer pockets when I notice that the primers are starting to stand even with the case. I clean them and keep on shooting. I don’t think I have experienced an off shot in between the two primer positions.

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Reply #6 - Jan 1st, 2014 at 9:49am
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Oh God ... can't wait for JoeBob to postulate on this topic! Roll Eyes
  

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[quote author=654047417063405A465C2F0 link=1388546222/2#2 date=1388548068
For my discipline Benchrest AS Schuetzen it is extremely important for me to keep the pockets clean in order to achieve extremely consistent ignition from one shot to the next. 
JLouis [/quote]

Tell us how you KNOW, John. Tell us if this is an opinion or a test-based fact. Tell us about the test.
  
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Re: Primer pocket cleaning
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Lefty38-55 wrote on Jan 1st, 2014 at 9:49am:
Oh God ... can't wait for JoeBob to postulate on this topic! Roll Eyes

Your wait is over. I clean primer pockets every time, with a Lee decapping rod or a Pope style decapper blade or a screwdriver. I have absolutely no idea if it improves accuracy or not. Never did the test. We must wait for John Louis to share his test results.
  
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Re: Primer pocket cleaning
Reply #9 - Jan 1st, 2014 at 10:45am
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I'm relatively new to the BPCR game....But I shot modern BenchRest for years.

I used to be a nut about my brass in a 6BR and a 6PPC. I cleaned everything. Then I stopped being so meticulous and my scores stayed exactly the same.

I haven't cleaned a primer pocket in years. I actually think a small amount of carbon in the corner of the primer pocket helps ignition and the primer pockets last longer........ Grin
  

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I have nothing more to add to the conversation.

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When I read this thread I dimly recalled that Warren Page, during his serious benchrest years, went an entire season of competition without cleaning primer pockets. He saw no difference in accuracy. I just googled "Warren Page" and "primer pocket" and got several hits. Seems I remembered correctly.
  
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Reply #12 - Jan 1st, 2014 at 7:31pm
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Some make it work by being meticulously clean, others don't clean and make it work.

choose your pick.
  

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Re: Primer pocket cleaning
Reply #13 - Jan 1st, 2014 at 8:52pm
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32/40 using 4227 breech seated you need to scrape the pockets after 20-30 rounds or the primer won't seat properly. Choice is use the handle end of your Pope De&Re every shot, scrape just a bit out or 100 shot match use 10 cases put the case aside when the primer starts seating hard.

Way ASSRA is scored with unlimited sighters no negative to using a new case putting a few on the sighter target to confirm same zero then back to record for 10 with the fresh case.

Modern rifle bench rest with limited sighters and short shot string matches, different thing. If I shot bench would scrape every shot, offhand matches switching out the case after 10 works well.

My opinion anyway

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Reply #14 - Jan 2nd, 2014 at 9:17am
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When I was shooting Competitive BR 6PPC HV, I did every meticulous step in reloading to make sure I was maximizing all potential. I think this was more Psychological than anything , but still an important step for me. Now shooting informally a wide variety of antiques at 200 & 300 M . I am eliminating as many steps in my reloading as possible to save time (but still striving for quality components) and am happy with results, Wind reading is certainly the most important factor as it was in the B/R also
  
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