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Think most third graders can put together a bullet lube formula.
Add two table spoons of olive oil to SPG and go for it. And, it smells nice.
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Oh, might want to add, here in Bugtussle, SPG lube with olive oil is called spudge lube.
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Boats,
Thanks for the kind words...that was exactly my goal when I developed SPG Lube; a lube that you didn't have to worry about from cold weather to hot or with different powders and/or calibers.
Joe,
Were you using the SPG/Olive Oil thing at Butte?
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No, was using the latest lube out of Bugtussle. Gave you the formula at Butte.
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SPG is all I have used for years. Simple buy it and it works. Complicated recipes are fine as a sport, but if all you want to do is shoot buy SPG.
Boats
+1 on SPG. Prefer to spend my time on load development until I find something that works. Then prefer to spend my time shooting. Loading is something I do in order to shoot. If I could purchase ammo for what it costs to load I would do so. Only 1400 more bullets to cast and am set for next season. Pan lubing will make that task faster/easier/better.
Glenn - 2x CPA 44 1/2 w/22LR (Shilen ratchet-rifled & Bartlein 5R rifled), 38-40RH & 38-55WCF (Bartlein 5R rifled) & 40-65WCF (GrnMtn 'X') barrels
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Joe
Here in Tennessee there is actually a place named Bugtussle. I went there one time just to take a picture of the sign. You know, "Welcome to Bugtussle" or some such. Problem was there was no sign just two houses and a broken down barn at an intersection. But it is on the map
But then there is no sign here at Shelton's Bottoms.
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I'm in the same mind-set as Boats. I love to shoot accurate, vintage, single shot rifles. To do that, I have to load my own cartridges ( and I'm notoriously cheap !!). After spending quite some time messing with lube formulas, I decided that it was one aspect of shooting that was taking too much of my free time. SPG allows me more time to pursue goal #1 (shooting). The pan lubing method Steve described is the one I use. Never had a problem with lube loss from the bullet.
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I use SPG for all my black powder cartridge loads. I subscribe to the "If it works, don't fix it" idiom and SPG works for me.
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digitall423 wrote
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Joe
Here in Tennessee there is actually a place named Bugtussle.
Bill
There is a small town in OK by the name of Bug Tussle (Bugtussle?), north of McAlester. Famous as the home of a former speaker of U.S. House of Representatives, Carl Albert, some number of years back ('71-77), who invoked his home town quite often in speeches. I understand he also used SPG.
Glenn - 2x CPA 44 1/2 w/22LR (Shilen ratchet-rifled & Bartlein 5R rifled), 38-40RH & 38-55WCF (Bartlein 5R rifled) & 40-65WCF (GrnMtn 'X') barrels
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Lube takes an hour to make, then lasts ten, twenty years. To much hassle?
I'm frugal too so make my own lube at a fraction of the cost of SPG.
Bugtussle? Bug Tussle?
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Well, I will put my vote in with the crowd that uses SPG because it works. Besides, Steve is a friend of mine, I worked for him for about 5 years (and we are still friends). As far as cost, I have won enough SPG here and there at rifle matches to last me a long long time. Anybody could do the same, Steve and Sheryll donate to their products to matches all over this country. Thanks, Boss.
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Thanks, Koot.
One caution on the "anything will work for bullet lube" topic.
Animal fats carry an incredible amount of salt which should be purged if one wants long shelf life and no salt in the bore. The same goes with beeswax...it must be purged of honey/sugar.
Sometimes there's a cavalier attitude about melting up any old fat/oil and calling it bullet lube. I'm a little more picky about what I run down the barrel of my rifle. Using a double boiler to melt lube in can't be stressed enough. Many times we find that someone complaining about accuracy degradation has melted the lube on direct heat or used a microwave. In my experience this will ruin the lube, plain and simple.
Oh...one thing to add. SPG Lube is not made from Chap-Stic as was said by an Internet "expert" on a different cast bullet site.
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Westerner,
The actual mixing of the ingredients is not difficult. I was trying to copy some of the lubes from "Major Ned Roberts and the Schuetzen Rifle" I live in a very small town in Montana and it was a long way to anywhere in those pre-Internet days. Beeswax, paraffine, and beef tallow were easy to get (but not real effective in my rifles). The plumbago, sperm oil, japan wax, bayberry wax, Oildag, crude ozocerite wax, and the (not so common anymore) common cylinder oil, were tough to find....or even translate into modern English. That ended up being a lot of time and money that a young ranch hand/horse packer with a family just didn't have. Your situation may have been different than mine and afforded you more time/ money/ better location to assimilate the materials you needed to experiment. Heck, at the time, my only regular source for lead was scrounged wheel weights or lead roof sheeting so it was tough enough just to get the bullets !!. SPG lube worked for me every time, and it was a lot easier to obtain. It's still working for me. I like to experiment with different loads and components but this seems to be a consistent answer to the question of lube.
I'm sure there are many lubes that can work the same as SPG. Maybe you have come up with something that works better for you and cost the same or less than a box of SPG. If you will send it to me (for free like Steve did
) I would be thrilled to try it out....
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And I am pretty frugal still....(I have one of the first Forester Tap O Cap tools, that I still use.....it's getting tough to find caps in the red paper rolls though.... )
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Re: SPG
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Steve:
Anyone who complains about the price of excellent lube should price out the components.
Highly filtered extreme quality beeswax to eliminate the honey/sugar and bee's parts goes for up to $25 /lb. and some componets can be even more costly.
But if you keep using the left over animal fats or the beeswax spit out of the honey extractor etc. to make your lube you get what you get.
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Gentlemen,
If one is using a lubri-sizer, rather than buy sticks get the bulk blocks. Simply melt them in a double boiler and pour the hot lube into the sizer. It sets up in about 15 minutes and excludes all the trapped air one gets when mashing the sticks down the lubri-sizer barrel. It is also much cheaper than using the sticks.
Steve
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