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Reply #15 - Dec 23rd, 2013 at 9:17am
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Joe remember old lube makes a great cutting /paste/fluid for drilling and machining on steel, it stays in place if work does not get to hot. Not near as much mess as the spray mist system I usually use. I save old paper towel card board centers, close one end and melt and pour old lube into it to use up, works really well. 
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westerner wrote on Dec 23rd, 2013 at 4:50am:
Tried SPG lube. Had trouble pan lubing. Lube would fall out of the grooves. Seemed very much like vaspar lube to me. I like the smell. It was assimilated into my own lube where it did a nice job.

Have always used the same lube for smokeless and BP. My smokeless loads are very close to BP velocities. 

Have since changed to another formula. Old lube now used for flux.
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Reply #16 - Dec 23rd, 2013 at 9:47am
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I've used SPG on many of my smokeless loads and it worked great. I'd still be using it if the price hadn't gone up.
  

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Reply #17 - Dec 23rd, 2013 at 10:18am
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Westerner,

We get a few people pan lubing with SPG who have trouble with the lube staying in the grooves. The problem is with your application. With any lube you will get better fill-out when pan-lubing if you keep the heat source (double boiler) on the lube as you place the bullets in the pan. The bullets cool the lube and make it not fill the grooves. If you watch the bullets as you set them in the pan you will see the lube travel up the bullet when the bullet gets hot. Once all bullets are warmed by the hot lube you can turn off your heat source. I prefer to let the lube cake slow cool rather than put it in a refrigerator as this also keeps the lube cake from cracking.

For those shooting in hot weather, pan-lubing puts SPG on in it's hardest temper. Using it in a lubri-sizer 
puts it on softest, which is what I do for my cold weather shooting. Contrary to what many believe, cold tempertature and low humidity are the severest test of a lube. When any lube is warm and soft, it works for it's intended purpose. Remember that a lube must soften fouling (both black and smokeless), prevent leading, and most importantly, come COMPLETELY off the bullet at the muzzle. Lube sticking to the bullet is definitely detrimental to accuracy. Unfortunately, many lubes are made with convenience of packaging in mind (when used on bulk bullets) rather than accuracy. 

I've noticed some mentioning rosin as an ingredient in lube. Harvey Donaldson as well as some others have tried this in the past, but in my limited experience, rosin introduced other undesirable factors, (such as sticking to the bullet past the muzzle in certain temperatures) not the least of which is it's rather questionable lubricating qualities.

Tom is exactly right in his post. I tested over 200 lube recipes when I developed SPG Lube and have several notebooks full of notes. It's not the cheapest lube but that was not one of my requirements. I wanted something that would work. 

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Reply #18 - Dec 23rd, 2013 at 10:43am
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Thanks Steve for this information.

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Reply #19 - Dec 23rd, 2013 at 11:50am
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SG's reply gave me the impetus to break out the fondue pot I got to do pan lubing in and give it a try. Just short of 2# of SPG just covers the top band in the 38cal PJ 368gr bullet I started with. Set the control at ~220F on the dial and reading ~200F on the really poor RCBS thermometer seems to work just right. As Steve noted above, the surface tension of the liquid will "climb" the side of the bullet when both it and the melt have reached an equilibrium (or close) to insure the top groove is completely filled. Not sure you can see in the pic's, but the reflections show clearly to the eye. Will post another pic once it has cooled and I'm poping bullets from the cake. Think I'm going to like pan lubing.
  

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Reply #20 - Dec 23rd, 2013 at 12:50pm
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OK Gentlemen - try this to see how good your lube is, home brew or commercial:
* A tray of Lee 457-500's that was under 3 feet of salt water for 4 days from Super Storm Sandy

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A container of RCBS 80-180 bullets that was filled with salt water for over 6 months from Sandy
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All my bullets were under salt water - about 5000 cast & lubed

The lube?  The 40-40-20 mix of mutton tallow-paraffin and beeswax.  I scraped a couple of GG's on them with my finger - nearly the same consistency as when I lubed them.  And nearly all GG's were completely filled
PS, They are not pretty like those in SSS's lube pan but I plan to shoot them too! Wink
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Reply #21 - Dec 23rd, 2013 at 1:17pm
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I've been using the technique that Steve has posted as I heard him suggest it before Smiley.  It works better than how I used to do it ( using a turkey baster to add the hot lube to a pan full of room temperature bullets ).  The technique is also less messy.

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Reply #22 - Dec 23rd, 2013 at 7:28pm
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All my bullets were under salt water - about 5000 cast & lubed

The lube?  The 40-40-20 mix of mutton tallow-paraffin and beeswax.  I scraped a couple of GG's on them with my finger - nearly the same consistency as when I lubed them.  And nearly all GG's were completely filled
PS, They are not pretty like those in SSS's lube pan but I plan to shoot them too! Wink


Any concerns with salt residue left in the bore when firing them?
  

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Reply #23 - Dec 23rd, 2013 at 7:31pm
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Here's a pic of the finished product. WOW!! One of those 'why did I wait so long to try this' moments. Talk about painless. Give the nose of the bullet a wiggle and pull it straight up and have a perfectly lubed bullet with no extra. Good-bye lubrizing. For my second load I simply pushed the new unlubed bullets into the existing holes and turned on the heat. With all the extra space, once the lube was liquid I simply placed another 30 bullets in the open area. As Steve mentioned, once the bullets are up to temp you can see the lube move up the side just a bit.
  

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Reply #24 - Dec 23rd, 2013 at 8:49pm
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Have found a couple table spoons of extra virgin olive oil added, makes paraffin/wax based lubes tacky, solving the pan lubing issue. 

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Reply #25 - Dec 23rd, 2013 at 8:50pm
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Any concerns with salt residue left in the bore when firing them?
Only if I don't clean the bore.  I have already shot some 40-65 & 45-70's that were under water and there was no adverse effect when I cleaned the bores
  
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Reply #26 - Dec 23rd, 2013 at 8:52pm
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Some of those salty bullets looked like the infamous "nipple snapper" variety, John.    Huh

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Reply #27 - Dec 23rd, 2013 at 8:53pm
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SSShooter, that's the way I've always pan lubed...pull them out from the top before they cool all the way!
Has worked Very Well for me..
Only difference is I use a cookie sheet, and do 100 at  a time...

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Reply #28 - Dec 23rd, 2013 at 9:03pm
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That was my first attempt. Did 53. Second load was 80 and still plenty of room. Will likely do at least 100/load after this. Did try pulling one out while still a bit warm. Resulted in a 'collar' of lube above the top band, so will just wait until everything is well cooled to room temp. This is great. I can set up 'pan lubing sessions' like I do with casting. But, it goes so quickly that will be easy. I really like easy.
  

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Reply #29 - Dec 23rd, 2013 at 9:31pm
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SPG is all I have used for years. Simple buy it and it works.   Complicated recipes are fine as a sport, but if all you want to do is shoot buy SPG.

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