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RayH Oldtimer Offline ASSRA # 10880 Posts: 753 Location: Oldest City, FL Joined: Jan 4^th, 2012	.40-65 advice needed Dec 17^th, 2013 at 9:52pm	Print Post
	Just came into possession of CPA, .40-65 w. Badger 16tw, 28" barrel - 90+ Starline brass (fireformed) - 3 molds: #1: Saeco by Redding marked "640 F8B", casts 370.4gr from ww #2: Lyman marked "03-07 839, 410678AV, 839, 2H, casts 386.4gr from ww #3: RCBS marked "40-350-CBA", casts 363gr from ww. (all castings test at 10 11 BH). I normally use 25:1 certified. I have Fed 210M primers. Where do I start with powder, charges, wads? Are these molds suitable or should I consider something else? Will be shooting BR at 200 yds. Thanks.

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gunlaker Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 2272 Location: lower mainland, B.C. Joined: Dec 13^th, 2010	Re: .40-65 advice needed Reply #1 - Dec 17^th, 2013 at 10:30pm	Print Post
	I have the Saeco mould for my Shiloh but have not used it yet. My Shiloh in .45-70 works well with the Saeco #745 in 25:1. That bullet is just the .45 cal version of yours. For powder charg it's hard to say. I'd start at a zero compression load and work up in 2gr increments and then tune from there. Chris.


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John Boy Ex Member	Re: .40-65 advice needed Reply #2 - Dec 17^th, 2013 at 11:13pm	Print Post
	Quote: Where do I start with powder, charges, wads? Are these molds suitable or should I consider something else? Will be shooting BR at 200 yds. Okey, I asked the same question to Bill Bagwell (aka rdnck) for my new 40-65. His reply was: "the Saeco 740 ... 56 grains of KIK 2f with the 740 and 57 grains of the same powder with the 640." The 640 for silhouettes out to 500m and the 740 for long range. Bill has extensively tested both Saeco's on his 400yd range and Sidra, his wife used the 740 a few years back to win the Ladies National Championship at Raton, NM I loaded both Saeco's with a Federal GM150M-LP match primer, Bill's KIK powder charges, a 1/8" dry felt wad and 1:16 alloy... it "does as advised" - tested at Ridgway R&PC this last May in a CPA with a Douglas barrel. Next trip to Ridgway, the barrel will have a scope on it to shoot 700-1000yd silhouettes with the 740 and 200-500m with the 640


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ablock Participating Member Offline Shoot center & enjoy the day... Posts: 23 Location: NW Iowa Joined: Jan 20^th, 2008	Re: .40-65 advice needed Reply #3 - Dec 18^th, 2013 at 12:09am	Print Post
	I have had very good luck with the RCBS mold in my Browning BPCR. I would start with 54 or 56 gr of 3f. I have had good luck with Swiss powder. Have fun....


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RayH Oldtimer Offline ASSRA # 10880 Posts: 753 Location: Oldest City, FL Joined: Jan 4^th, 2012	Re: .40-65 advice needed Reply #4 - Dec 18^th, 2013 at 7:31am	Print Post
	I was thinking of using smokeless powders.

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SSShooter Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 2917 Location: Southern NJ Joined: Aug 1^st, 2010	Re: .40-65 advice needed Reply #5 - Dec 18^th, 2013 at 8:25am	Print Post
	Ugh. Smokeless. If you insist, try 20gr of 4227 and adjust for best accuracy from there. 56gr of 2F Swiss would be a better load.

	Glenn - 2x CPA 44 1/2 w/22LR (Shilen ratchet-rifled & Bartlein 5R rifled), 38-40RH & 38-55WCF (Bartlein 5R rifled) & 40-65WCF (GrnMtn 'X') barrels
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gunlaker Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 2272 Location: lower mainland, B.C. Joined: Dec 13^th, 2010	Re: .40-65 advice needed Reply #6 - Dec 18^th, 2013 at 11:19am	Print Post
	gunlaker wrote on Dec 17^th, 2013 at 10:30pm: I have the Saeco mould for my Shiloh but have not used it yet. My Shiloh in .45-70 works well with the Saeco #745 in 25:1. That bullet is just the .45 cal version of yours. For powder charg it's hard to say. I'd start at a zero compression load and work up in 2gr increments and then tune from there. Chris. I just re-read my post and realized it's poorly worded . I have a Shiloh in .40-65 that hasn't been used with the 740 mould, and one in .45-70 that has worked well with the 745 mould. There is also some discussion on the .40-65's on the Shiloh forum right now. Chris.


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march41 Junior Member Offline Posts: 89 Location: Reading,PA19606 Joined: Jan 19^th, 2013	Re: .40-65 advice needed Reply #7 - Dec 18^th, 2013 at 10:50pm	Print Post
	For a very accurate smokless load with the saeco bullets,Try 20gr of sr4759 and 1" square of TP over powder and .060L walters wad under bullet. Shoots great for me.


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40_Rod Frequent Elocutionist Offline Extremism in the persuit of accuracy is not a vice Posts: 4285 Location: Knoxville, TN Joined: Apr 20^th, 2004	Re: .40-65 advice needed Reply #8 - Dec 19^th, 2013 at 8:17am	Print Post
	I am getting good results with MP 300 and a Magnum primer. I am breach seating using a 375 gr Darr bullet on a 40 - 70. I will get the weight as all I have now is the setting on my measure. 40 Rod


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SSShooter Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 2917 Location: Southern NJ Joined: Aug 1^st, 2010	Re: .40-65 advice needed Reply #9 - Dec 25^th, 2013 at 10:11am	Print Post
	gunlaker wrote on Dec 18^th, 2013 at 11:19am: There is also some discussion on the .40-65's on the Shiloh forum right now. Chris. They don't talk much smokeless on the Shiloh forum, but here's a link to the most recent discussion of the 40-65. Several folks (Chip Mate, John Bly, etc.) using BP are doing very well with cartridge. (You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links)
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	Glenn - 2x CPA 44 1/2 w/22LR (Shilen ratchet-rifled & Bartlein 5R rifled), 38-40RH & 38-55WCF (Bartlein 5R rifled) & 40-65WCF (GrnMtn 'X') barrels
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RayH Oldtimer Offline ASSRA # 10880 Posts: 753 Location: Oldest City, FL Joined: Jan 4^th, 2012	Re: .40-65 advice needed Reply #10 - Dec 25^th, 2013 at 11:04am	Print Post
	I seem to recall seeing some load data using the 640 bullet with AA#9 ............. any thoughts on this combo? Also, TP or veggie wad just off the powder with 1/8" cork wad at case mouth. ?Visions of sugarplums?

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Pete Newbie Offline Posts: 7 Joined: Oct 11^th, 2013	Re: .40-65 advice needed Reply #11 - Dec 29^th, 2013 at 8:33pm	Print Post
	wads in conjunction with smokeless powder? You'll be inviting desaster.... like ringing cases, chamber Read up on Charly Dell's notes on ringed chambers. Pete


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westerner Frequent Elocutionist Offline deleted posts and threads record holder. Posts: 11463 Location: Why, out West of course Joined: May 29^th, 2006	Re: .40-65 advice needed Reply #12 - Dec 29^th, 2013 at 9:16pm	Print Post
	Twenty grains IMR 4227 under a four hundred grain breech seated bullet is capable of shooting 250s in my Ruger #4. No wad used. Same bullet pictured below. Joe.

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SSShooter Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 2917 Location: Southern NJ Joined: Aug 1^st, 2010	Re: .40-65 advice needed Reply #13 - Dec 29^th, 2013 at 10:40pm	Print Post
	Pete wrote on Dec 29^th, 2013 at 8:33pm: wads in conjunction with smokeless powder? You'll be inviting desaster.... like ringing cases, chamber Read up on Charly Dell's notes on ringed chambers. Pete Someone stated earlier (another thread?) that Dell recanted his 'ringed barrel' work with the use of modern steel. His earlier work apparently was with brass barrels.

	Glenn - 2x CPA 44 1/2 w/22LR (Shilen ratchet-rifled & Bartlein 5R rifled), 38-40RH & 38-55WCF (Bartlein 5R rifled) & 40-65WCF (GrnMtn 'X') barrels
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Schuetzendave Frequent Elocutionist Offline Retired Ex-Shooter Posts: 4041 Location: St. Albert, Alberta Joined: Jan 28^th, 2005	Re: .40-65 advice needed Reply #14 - Dec 29^th, 2013 at 11:03pm	Print Post
	New steel will ring as well. I have seen a ringed stainless steel RKS barrel where the shooter was putting floral foam down on the H108 powder in a .32 RKS case.


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