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gunlaker Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 2331 Location: lower mainland, B.C. Joined: Dec 13^th, 2010	my Zischang Winchester 1885 has arrived Dec 15^th, 2013 at 7:45pm	Print Post
	My new highwall arrived yesterday. It's a .32-40 with a 32" #4 weight Zischang barrel. Based on the serial number and the table in Campbell's first book it was made in 1914. The bore is in excellent condition and appears to match the dimensions in G. Kelver's book "Schuetzen Rifles, History and Loadings". There are six narrow lands that are a little wider than 0.50". The rifle appears to be throated for cylindrical bullets from what I can tell by using the seater to seat a 200gr Saeco tapered bullet. (You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links) (You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links) (You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links) Tools and accessories to follow. Chris.
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gunlaker Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 2331 Location: lower mainland, B.C. Joined: Dec 13^th, 2010	Re: my Zischang Winchester 1885 has arrived Reply #1 - Dec 15^th, 2013 at 7:51pm	Print Post
	It came with three bullet moulds that appear in good shape, but are covered with a thick greasy residue. The moulds are nose pour and adjustable in length via a brass plug in the base ( they are currently set for lengths of 0.949", 0.962", and 0.981" ). The blocks have Winchester stamping on them, but I suspect that they were cut by Zischang. They have very thick sprue plates, a little thicker than a quarter inch, and interestingly are vented on the underside. The interior cavities are only vented on one side. (You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links) (You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links) Chris.


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gunlaker Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 2331 Location: lower mainland, B.C. Joined: Dec 13^th, 2010	Re: my Zischang Winchester 1885 has arrived Reply #2 - Dec 15^th, 2013 at 7:54pm	Print Post
	There is also a push type seater and a palm rest that is meant to slide over the forearm rather than bolt on. (You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links) (You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links) Chris.


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frnkeore Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 7324 Location: Central Point, OR 97502 Joined: Jun 16^th, 2010	Re: my Zischang Winchester 1885 has arrived Reply #3 - Dec 15^th, 2013 at 7:57pm	Print Post
	What a extremely BEAUTIFUL piece of history. Frank

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jhm Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1559 Location: georgia Joined: Sep 4^th, 2011	Re: my Zischang Winchester 1885 has arrived Reply #4 - Dec 15^th, 2013 at 7:59pm	Print Post
	You have a fine piece of history there. Let us see some targets later. JHolland


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Schutzenbob Frequent Elocutionist Offline Rheinisch-Westfälisc hen Sprengstoff-Fabriken Posts: 2059 Location: Nightingale, California Joined: Oct 24^th, 2005	Re: my Zischang Winchester 1885 has arrived Reply #5 - Dec 15^th, 2013 at 8:03pm	Print Post
	Wow! Take good care of it, treat it like a Swiss watch, cause that's what it is. You can use zipoff oven cleaner to get the hardened grease off the mold without scratching it.


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frnkeore Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 7324 Location: Central Point, OR 97502 Joined: Jun 16^th, 2010	Re: my Zischang Winchester 1885 has arrived Reply #6 - Dec 15^th, 2013 at 8:07pm	Print Post
	You should bring it to Victoria, I'm going to be there from the 28th to the 1st Frank

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harry_eales Ex Member	Re: my Zischang Winchester 1885 has arrived Reply #7 - Dec 15^th, 2013 at 11:58pm	Print Post
	Chris, That's a beautiful rifle. The bullet moulds were certainly made by A.O.Zischang's, his son mentioned to gun writer James Severn that his father 'invented' adjustable length bullet moulds and made them for rifles fitted with his barrels. The design of the moulds has a German influence. Some 50+ years ago I had the opportunity to examine a German made Schuetzen rifle in a hand made case with a load of accessories, the mould that came with it had the two pin locators and the vent grooves angled the same way as yours. More pictures please. Harry


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gunlaker Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 2331 Location: lower mainland, B.C. Joined: Dec 13^th, 2010	Re: my Zischang Winchester 1885 has arrived Reply #8 - Dec 16^th, 2013 at 11:50pm	Print Post
	I will definitely take very good care of it and will post targets once I've cast some bullets. I expect that this might not be until spring though, as my casting setup is at in an unheated building up north by my cabin. I am planning a trip soon, but the temperatures are likely to be too cold. My plan is to cast a number of bullets with each mould and see which is the most promising. I imagine that the mould with the most wear on the handles will likely be the one. Then I'll see if Steve Brooks can make a mould that will duplicate the bullet. I won't be able to make it to Victoria then, but if you pass through the mainland I can send you my cell # Harry, do you have anything specific you'd like more pictures of? Chris.


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westerner Frequent Elocutionist Offline deleted posts and threads record holder. Posts: 11522 Location: Why, out West of course Joined: May 29^th, 2006	Re: my Zischang Winchester 1885 has arrived Reply #9 - Dec 17^th, 2013 at 1:13am	Print Post
	Nice rifle. Can you post some pictures of the rifling profile? Zischang was known to try different types of rifling. Some being very Germanic. Like the picture below? Joe.

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gunlaker Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 2331 Location: lower mainland, B.C. Joined: Dec 13^th, 2010	Re: my Zischang Winchester 1885 has arrived Reply #10 - Dec 17^th, 2013 at 1:17am	Print Post
	I'm not much of a photographer, but I will give it a try Joe. Chris.


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harry_eales Ex Member	Re: my Zischang Winchester 1885 has arrived Reply #11 - Dec 17^th, 2013 at 1:47am	Print Post
	Harry, do you have anything specific you'd like more pictures of? Chris. Chris I was thinking of an overall view of the rifle from a couple of angles and a close up or two of the action. There's no rush, anytime in the next ten minutes will do. Joking aside, whenever it's convenient. The proportion of a Zischang built rifle just cannot be beaten in my honest opinion. Harry


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westerner Frequent Elocutionist Offline deleted posts and threads record holder. Posts: 11522 Location: Why, out West of course Joined: May 29^th, 2006	Re: my Zischang Winchester 1885 has arrived Reply #12 - Dec 17^th, 2013 at 2:34am	Print Post
	Send the rifle, to me. I can take the pictures. Not a problem for me. Joe.

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rkaires Frequent Elocutionist Offline No Stronger Bond Posts: 1636 Location: Dingmans Ferry, PA Joined: Oct 26^th, 2012	Re: my Zischang Winchester 1885 has arrived Reply #13 - Dec 17^th, 2013 at 7:14am	Print Post
	Very nice! I hope you enjoy it as much as I would.

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marlinguy Frequent Elocutionist Offline Ballards may be weaker, but they sure are neater! Posts: 16289 Location: Oregon Joined: Feb 2^nd, 2009	Re: my Zischang Winchester 1885 has arrived Reply #14 - Dec 17^th, 2013 at 6:21pm	Print Post
	I dream of singleshots like that! Just about as good as it gets for sure! Thanks for sharing it with us!

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