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John Boy Ex Member	CPA Barrel Scopes - They All Have One Dec 7^th, 2013 at 3:54pm	Print Post
	(You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links) 25-21 ... 32-40 ... 38-72 ... 40-65 and 45-70 missing in the picture. Barrel being blued and Fecker out for repair from Super Storm Sandy When the weather breaks - time to starting sighting them in


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Lefty38-55 Senior Forum Member Offline Posts: 366 Location: New England Joined: Sep 11^th, 2013	Re: CPA Barrel Scopes - They All Have One Reply #1 - Dec 10^th, 2013 at 11:16pm	Print Post
	Nice! 38-72 ... new one on me! Noticed that the Kittery Trading Post has 5 boxes of 38-100 or 38-120, I forget - duh! - brass, looks new or newer. Man that was a L O N G case!

	All of my single shots shoot one tiny ragged hole with cast bullets ... it's just the following shots that tend to open up my groups ...
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marlinguy Frequent Elocutionist Offline Ballards may be weaker, but they sure are neater! Posts: 16289 Location: Oregon Joined: Feb 2^nd, 2009	Re: CPA Barrel Scopes - They All Have One Reply #2 - Dec 11^th, 2013 at 11:14am	Print Post
	Very nice shooting setup with the various barrels and scopes! I sure like the Feckers!

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Redsetter Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 3468 Location: New York Joined: Aug 6^th, 2013	Re: CPA Barrel Scopes - They All Have One Reply #3 - Dec 11^th, 2013 at 11:43am	Print Post
	marlinguy wrote on Dec 11^th, 2013 at 11:14am: I sure like the Feckers! So do I. Third from top looks like the 1-5/8" Challenger model; not a great many of them produced.


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marlinguy Frequent Elocutionist Offline Ballards may be weaker, but they sure are neater! Posts: 16289 Location: Oregon Joined: Feb 2^nd, 2009	Re: CPA Barrel Scopes - They All Have One Reply #4 - Dec 11^th, 2013 at 11:57am	Print Post
	Redsetter wrote on Dec 11^th, 2013 at 11:43am: marlinguy wrote on Dec 11^th, 2013 at 11:14am: I sure like the Feckers! So do I. Third from top looks like the 1-5/8" Challenger model; not a great many of them produced. As much as I like Feckers, I'm not up on the various models. I have one that looks like that 3rd one, so thanks for the model info!

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ron Oldtimer Offline Posts: 576 Location: Augusta Maine Joined: Nov 15^th, 2009	Re: CPA Barrel Scopes - They All Have One Reply #5 - Dec 11^th, 2013 at 12:13pm	Print Post
	John Boy You have to many toys. You are a lucky guy. ron


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Redsetter Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 3468 Location: New York Joined: Aug 6^th, 2013	Re: CPA Barrel Scopes - They All Have One Reply #6 - Dec 11^th, 2013 at 1:12pm	Print Post
	marlinguy wrote on Dec 11^th, 2013 at 11:57am: As much as I like Feckers, I'm not up on the various models. I have one that looks like that 3rd one, so thanks for the model info! Model names like this one, Challenger & Woodchucker were conceived by Fecker, Inc. after Fecker's death in '45; previously, they'd been designated merely by objective diameter. The 1-5/8" size came along about 1950, but was gone by '56, when Fecker, Inc. turned its attention to selling special-purpose optics to the US gov't for big dough.


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Kurt_701 Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1020 Location: Missouri Joined: May 20^th, 2004	Re: CPA Barrel Scopes - They All Have One Reply #7 - Dec 11^th, 2013 at 1:31pm	Print Post
	Here is a little info from a Fecker catalog Reprint. Fecker made quality glass. He even made Observatory telescopes. A few years ago the University of North Carolina sold theirs. Kurt

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John Boy Ex Member	Re: CPA Barrel Scopes - They All Have One Reply #8 - Dec 11^th, 2013 at 5:59pm	Print Post
	Quote: Third from top looks like the 1-5/8" Challenger model; not a great many of them produced . Red, you tweaked my interest so I went and measured it. The objective is 1 5/8" with a serial of 37xx. What I don't know is the power. Were they made in different powers or just one? If I remember correctly, I paid the least for this scope - $325 #2 on the list is a RA Litschert, Spot Shot with a 20x objective The bottom Fecker measures up to be the Commando with a serial of 89XX and I believe to be a 12x #5 a Fecker not in the picture that is out for repair since March - really don't remember the objective size or the scope length to guess what the power is other than it has a 3/4" tube BTW - Much Thanks for your knowledge transfer of the Challenger and Kurt, the scans of the Fecker catalog. Had you not mentioned about this scope - my knowledge for life would be ... it's just a Fecker!
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Redsetter Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 3468 Location: New York Joined: Aug 6^th, 2013	Re: CPA Barrel Scopes - They All Have One Reply #9 - Dec 11^th, 2013 at 6:39pm	Print Post
	Quote: Were they made in different powers or just one? 10, 12, 16, 20, 24, & 30X. (What did they forget???) $325? Turn yourself in at the nearest police station.


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marlinguy Frequent Elocutionist Offline Ballards may be weaker, but they sure are neater! Posts: 16289 Location: Oregon Joined: Feb 2^nd, 2009	Re: CPA Barrel Scopes - They All Have One Reply #10 - Dec 11^th, 2013 at 7:13pm	Print Post
	Can't say as I've seen a Fecker marked for power on it. Most the time I just guess, but there is a way to determine the power; I just don't remember how it's done.

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ClaMar Full Member Offline Posts: 141 Location: Texas Joined: Jul 23^rd, 2013	Re: CPA Barrel Scopes - They All Have One Reply #11 - Dec 11^th, 2013 at 9:17pm	Print Post
	I have a Fecker with a ~1-3/8" objective bell (serial number in the 44,xxx range (best I can tell, the numbers have white paint non too expertly applied) that has a 10 on the ring associated with the crosshair cell. Clarence


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Redsetter Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 3468 Location: New York Joined: Aug 6^th, 2013	Re: CPA Barrel Scopes - They All Have One Reply #12 - Dec 11^th, 2013 at 9:25pm	Print Post
	marlinguy wrote on Dec 11^th, 2013 at 7:13pm: Can't say as I've seen a Fecker marked for power on it. Most the time I just guess, but there is a way to determine the power; I just don't remember how it's done. Very odd they weren't marked; no idea why. Many books or manuals on scopes describe the method of looking at a brick wall, or picket fence, through the scope with one eye, and comparing the number of bricks or pickets you can count with the scope with the number you count with the other, unaided eye. I've tried it, but lack the mental concentration, or something else, to make the comparison work as intended. I think an easier way to get an approximation is to use the eyepiece alone to magnify a line of type, then compare that magnification with the magnification of 2 or more eyepieces of known power.


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John Boy Ex Member	Re: CPA Barrel Scopes - They All Have One Reply #13 - Dec 11^th, 2013 at 10:20pm	Print Post
	I found this on the Internet: Here is a simplistic way to measure the magnifying power of a magnifying glass: just draw a 1" line on a piece of paper. Then take a ruler, set it on top of the magnifying glass, hold both over the line and see how long it is, holding the glass in a way that makes the line as long as possible but still in focus. If it is now 3" long, there is 3x magnification; if it is 5" long, there is 5x magnification, etc. Thus it will be found that most magnifying glasses made in China are not at all what they claim to be. The 5x and 10x ones are often no more that 1.5x, 2x, or 3x. This idea of how to measure magnification seems to be verified by this professional web site's comments: Magnification Magnification is the process of enlarging an object in visual size, normally through an optical lens. It is the ratio between the apparent size and the true size of the viewed object behind the lens. If an object behind the lens appears ten times larger than its true size, and the object is in focus (i.e. at the proper focal length), the magnification is 10x. (Magnifying Glass Facts and FAQs ) (You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links)


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westerner Frequent Elocutionist Offline deleted posts and threads record holder. Posts: 11521 Location: Why, out West of course Joined: May 29^th, 2006	Re: CPA Barrel Scopes - They All Have One Reply #14 - Dec 13^th, 2013 at 8:57pm	Print Post
	All my Feckers, Edwards, Lischerts, Unertls, Lyman STS, Lyman target spots, Win A5 Lyman 5A, Balvars, are sniper scopes. That's (sniper scopes).

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418Steve Ex Member	Re: CPA Barrel Scopes - They All Have One Reply #15 - Dec 20^th, 2013 at 5:08pm	Print Post
	Just bought this 24X Fecker--acutually, I bought a Remingonton ex military use 513T just to get the scope. It IS marked 24X near the ring on the ocular. Mechanically and glass are perfect, but some surface pitting on the bell at the top. Serial # shows in the photo's. It is the 1 3/4" so it is a Fecker Champion I believe judging by Stroebel's book. Can anyone tell me if this is the standard ocular or a power boost ocular? (You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links)
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418Steve Ex Member	Re: CPA Barrel Scopes - They All Have One Reply #16 - Dec 20^th, 2013 at 5:11pm	Print Post
	More Fecker photo's (You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links) (You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links)


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digitall423 Oldtimer Offline Posts: 747 Location: Mexico Beach, FL Joined: Aug 5^th, 2005	Another Fecker Photo Reply #17 - Dec 21^st, 2013 at 8:12am	Print Post
	Longest Fecker I've seen. Bill


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418Steve Ex Member	Re: CPA Barrel Scopes - They All Have One Reply #18 - Dec 21^st, 2013 at 8:59am	Print Post
	Looks like the Fecker in your photo is 29" long? My 24X is 26" long--My Lyman STS 25X is 26 7/8" long. Wondering if the Fecker in your photo is the 30X Champion? They seem to run about 1" length per power of 1 (due to the technology at the time)


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Redsetter Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 3468 Location: New York Joined: Aug 6^th, 2013	Re: CPA Barrel Scopes - They All Have One Reply #19 - Dec 21^st, 2013 at 12:49pm	Print Post
	Surprised that your 24X has a 1-3/4" objective--largest listed in late production catalogs is 1-5/8". During Fecker's lifetime, a customer could have built almost any kind of custom scope he's was willing to pay for, but not those built by Fecker, Inc. (Yours looks like later production, but maybe not).


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John Boy Ex Member	Re: CPA Barrel Scopes - They All Have One Reply #20 - Dec 21^st, 2013 at 1:10pm	Print Post
	Quote: Longest Fecker I've seen. And the first one I've seen with the power identified on the lock ring. Steve - what is the serial number on your Fecker? Gives a hint when the scopes started to have the power stamped on them. BTW - Congratulations finding this nice Fecker


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418Steve Ex Member	Re: CPA Barrel Scopes - They All Have One Reply #21 - Dec 21^st, 2013 at 5:20pm	Print Post
	Redsetter wrote on Dec 21^st, 2013 at 12:49pm: Surprised that your 24X has a 1-3/4" objective--largest listed in late production catalogs is 1-5/8". Sorry, I mis-stated, it is a 1 5/8" objective--OD of the tube is 1 3/4". Ser. # 9955. Any idea when it was made or who would know?


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AndyZ Full Member Offline Posts: 227 Location: Madison, Ct. Joined: Apr 16^th, 2004	Re: CPA Barrel Scopes - They All Have One Reply #22 - Dec 21^st, 2013 at 8:48pm	Print Post
	Fecker scope # 10194 is NOT marked as to power. Supposted to be a 20 and does seem to be such. That is the longest objective bell I have ever seen, in person or in a picture. The power marked ring looks exactly like a lyman. What is the highest Fecker anyone has observed? andy Z Edit: Sorry the above was from memory and incorrect. 10194 IS power marked. The ring had been misassembled with the 20 on the bottem of the scope. Now corrected. In addition the scope is 26" long: the bell a mear 8 1/4". A 1 5/8 objective
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Redsetter Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 3468 Location: New York Joined: Aug 6^th, 2013	Re: CPA Barrel Scopes - They All Have One Reply #23 - Dec 21^st, 2013 at 9:13pm	Print Post
	Quote: Ser. # 9955. Any idea when it was made or who would know? Nobody "knows" because Fecker's records suffered the same fate as those of Stevens & other companies that were reorganized or bought out by larger corps.--that "useless" old paper went to the dump or the furnace. Every scope produced while Fecker was alive left the factory with a DATED card on which was recorded the ser. no. & exact focusing adjustments for several different ranges. (Because the adjustments wouldn't be the same even for identical scopes.) I've seen a few of those cards & recorded the date & corresponding ser. no. No. 10,393 was reached sometime in 1950, so you can make your own guess about #9950; probably the same year or the year before.


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