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Happy Birthday to Me - Unertl Scope
Dec 3rd, 2013 at 11:20am
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Unertl 1 1/2" Target Scope, 20 Power With Extra 20 Power Eyepiece, Excellent Condition, 95%+ But More Wear Under Spring, Has Original Threaded Lens Covers For Front & Rear And Original Threaded Covers For Extra Eyepiece, Has 1/8 Minute Dot
It's planned for a 40-65 barrel on my CPA to shoot 700-1000yd silhouette  Smiley
  
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Reply #1 - Dec 3rd, 2013 at 12:33pm
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Now there is real Birthday present, congratulations and Happy Birthday our friend.

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Reply #2 - Dec 3rd, 2013 at 12:44pm
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I love the Unertl but I thought the NRA Black Powder Silhouette was restricted to scopes with a maximum 1 inch objective and could not have indexing adjusters.

Does the long range have different rules?

Would be a fabulous scope for the Schuetzen game.
  
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Reply #3 - Dec 3rd, 2013 at 2:03pm
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Dave, I don't intend to use the scope for NRA BPCR Silhouette... Ridgeway R&PC has a 1000yd High Power Silloutte range.  
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There is no stipulation that the rifle has to be a bolt gun
3.1 High Power Silhouette Rifle
A rifle, 6mm or larger caliber, meeting the following specifications:
(a) Maximum weight 10 pounds, 2 ounces, including sights 
(b) Any sights, telescopic or metallic may be used. Scopes may not be more than 2 inches above the rifle as measured from the top of the receiver to the underside of the scope tube, nor may the scope be offset from the top center line of the receiver
3.17 Ammunition-
Centerfire ammunition having a projectile (bullet) of 6mm or larger caliber but no armor piercing or tracer types are permitted.
Nothing in the NRA rules says it can't be a single shot ("A rifle") with lead bullets.  The CPA with scope makes the weight & scope height limitations.

Anyway, probably not many matches and didn't want to invest $2.5 - $4,000 for a 6mmBr with a Leupold scope, tricked out.  But when I go to Ridgway for a week at a time, I've always had a burning itch to knock down a coyote at 1000. Last May I took my K-31, stock open sights, up to the range and did manage with many sighters within inches to put a couple  over.  The crows at 700yds - different story.   

So I figured, a 20X Unertl on the CPA using smokeless 40-65 or 45-70's on barrels that I have would be just the ticket to to enjoy shooting these steels ... plus more center hits on Homer, the 1000yd buffalo  Wink Smiley
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Reply #4 - Dec 3rd, 2013 at 2:30pm
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John:

Sounds like lots of fun. I built a .308 for long range shooting.
Unfortunately the longest range in my neighborhood is only 600 yards.
So I cannot buy that Unertl off you. Have a 15X UltraVarmit plus cash I could trade. I need the target scope for what I do. 
  
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Reply #5 - Dec 3rd, 2013 at 6:33pm
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Dave, sorry but this 20x Unertl is going to be a keeper.  Just too many nice things going for it - 1, the condition - 2, the power - 3, I don't have a 20X and 4, don't believe I could find a 20x with the extra eye piece for the price I paid
  
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Reply #6 - Dec 4th, 2013 at 12:27am
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don't believe I could find a 20x with the extra eye piece

I have been looking for one for a long time.
Even harder to find in Canada.
Great find John.
  
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Reply #7 - Dec 4th, 2013 at 11:04am
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Occasionally the 20x Unertl's come up on the Canadian Gun Nutz ( I know it's an odd name Smiley web site.  I recently bought one from a fellow in the interior of B.C., and bought an 18x from someone on the site a while back.  They go quite quickly though as both of mine were bought within a couple of hours of them being listed.  I was just lucky on the timing.

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Reply #8 - Dec 4th, 2013 at 4:09pm
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A 20 power scope with an extra 20 power eyepiece.  Don't understand that part.  Whats the point/advantage?

Happy birthday, Bub.

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Reply #9 - Dec 6th, 2013 at 10:30pm
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What is the extra eye piece for?  Is it a booster? Just an extra eye piece?   


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Reply #10 - Dec 7th, 2013 at 3:21pm
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You mount the extra eyepiece behind the first eyepiece to get 40 power? Huh

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Reply #11 - Dec 7th, 2013 at 3:30pm
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Joe, I'll give it a try
  
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Reply #12 - Dec 7th, 2013 at 3:36pm
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What is the extra eye piece for John? Just an extra?  Will it boost a lower power scope?  Think I'm going to reach my 5000 post threshold goal on this thread. Boats is stuck at 4999. 

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Reply #13 - Dec 7th, 2013 at 3:57pm
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Please, John. What is it for?

  Joe.  PS, Biggi wants to know too.
  

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Reply #14 - Dec 7th, 2013 at 5:56pm
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You mount the extra eyepiece behind the first eyepiece to get 40 power?
Joe - A No Go.  One would need a coupler to connect the 2 female threads together.  Plus data mining on the Internet - there is no mention of connecting 2 Unertl oculars
The power ring to adjust the cross hairs is stamped with the number 20
So I took both oculars off and looked through them at lettering on a piece of paper.  The extra "20x" magnified the letters larger than the one that was on the scope which can't be a 20x.  Plus the lengths of the 2 oculars are different:
5.3cm - the one that came on the scope which has to be an ocular of lower magnification - thus it's THE EXTRA
6.0cm - the extra "20x" ocular that magnified the letters larger is most probably the 20x ocular that originally came on the scope
I changed oculars and put the 6.0cm one on the scope

The Unertl handbook for focusing & use makes no mention about length differences for oculars and nothing about connecting 2 of the together.  Also, there is no identification of the maximum powder for all the scope models - this one being the 1 1/2" Target model.  But Kelver's book on scopes for SS's says the maximum power for the 1 1/2 is 20x

The serial number on this one is 694xx, it being one produced later when Unertl was in business
The reticule has a Target Dot (not a Mil-Dot though Unertl was the first scope to use a Mil-Dot reticle ) with fine cross hairs which I like
  
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Reply #15 - Dec 7th, 2013 at 6:05pm
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Okay, got all that. So the extra eye piece is just an extra? Or you don't know your own self and that's why you can't answer.  One little ole eyepiece, phew!   

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Says the 1 1/2" Target came in a 24X!
  
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Reply #17 - Dec 7th, 2013 at 10:42pm
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In the process of designing a scope. Numbers say about 15X maximum for an 1.5" objective. Higher magnification and you start to loose brightness on cloudy days or targets in the shade. Any comments?
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Reply #18 - Dec 7th, 2013 at 11:55pm
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Lyman made a 30 power 1 1/2" scope. Excellent when the day is bright.  Had to replace one with a 20 power late in the evening at Etna Green. Power is over rated.

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Reply #19 - Dec 8th, 2013 at 3:22am
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Reply #20 - Dec 8th, 2013 at 12:09pm
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Thanks for the comments. Excellent website. Interesting statement: "Human eye has maximum resolution with an exit pupil of between 2 and 3 mm."

Sorry, John. Did not mean to hijack. That is a beautiful and excellent scope and the two different eyepieces make it better. Don't have to change scopes, just eyepiece.
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Reply #21 - Dec 8th, 2013 at 12:44pm
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Gents - Hijack at will!  The more we learn about these scopes the more educated we become, especially me.

OK, something I have never seen in the reference books that I have about scopes.  So, go back to the link above ... 
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Look at the information that Dewy Greiner has on his site for all the Unertl scope models ... Power - Field (ft) & Lumens

Because both the oculars on the Unertl are not stamped and not a whiz bang with math - I'm going to take the oculars to my friendly optometrist and have him measure the power of each 

  
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Reply #22 - Dec 8th, 2013 at 2:02pm
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Don't know what to do with Lumens, but looks like it has to do with the square of the exit pupil. Double the magnification and get 1/4th the Lumens or measure of brightness.

Have your friendly optometrist measure the focal length of the oculars or use Frank's method. If you know one makes the scope 20X, then the magnification with the other one can probably be calculated. 
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Reply #23 - Dec 8th, 2013 at 4:02pm
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Don't know what to do with Lumens, but looks like it has to do with the square of the exit pupil.

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The lumen (symbol: lm) is the SI derived unit of luminous flux, a measure of the total "amount" of visible light emitted by a source. Luminous flux differs from power (radiant flux) in that luminous flux measurements reflect the varying sensitivity of the human eye to different wavelengths of light, while radiant flux measurements indicate the total power of all electromagnetic waves emitted, independent of the eye's ability to perceive it. A lux is one lumen per square meter.
  
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Reply #24 - Dec 8th, 2013 at 5:55pm
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On the 2nd page of the pdf, in the 2nd paragraph under the topic Brightness, the author D.R. Wulfinghoff states:

"The light could be reflected or transmitted. For example, the bright surface could be the surface of a fluorescent tube, a page of a book, a window with a view of the sky, or a store window with reflections." 

Sounds good to me... the target we want to see is much like a paper page of a book, the light provided by the sun is reflected off the target and transmitted to our eye through the lenses in our scope.

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Reply #25 - Dec 8th, 2013 at 7:56pm
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Footcandles and Lux
“Footcandles” and “lux” are units that indicate the
density of light that falls on a surface. This is what light
meters measure. For example, average indoor lighting
ranges from 100 to 1,000 lux, and average outdoor
sunlight is about 50,000 lux

"I was at the range and the light wasn't too good, it was only 30,000 lux.  Every range box needs a lux meter and posting 'it was cloudy' is now passe  Wink 

I presume also, one can put the meter in front of the scope and measure how well it gathers outside light
  
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Reply #26 - Dec 8th, 2013 at 9:24pm
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John Boy,

Is that 3.6 lumens shown on the unertl36.htm page for the 1 1/2" 20x Targetscope obtained with outdoor sunlight at 50,000 lux, or at 30,000 lux?
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Reply #27 - Dec 12th, 2013 at 4:20pm
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westerner wrote on Dec 7th, 2013 at 6:05pm:
Okay, got all that. So the extra eye piece is just an extra? Or you don't know your own self and that's why you can't answer.  One little ole eyepiece, phew!  
    Joe.

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*  Found in my references - Cornell Publication's - 1956 Unertl Catalog reprint, 37 pages with all one wants to know about Unertl's
*  They list Interchangeable High & Low Power Eye-Pieces for their scopes to increase or decrease power:
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Turn the page-pg 30, Unertl 1 1/2" Target Scope.  I applied the two eyepiece's power increase & decrease to my 20x scope:
20x < 35% = 13x ... the lower power eye piece
20x > 35% = 27x ... the higher power eye piece
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Turn the page - pg 36, Physical and Optical Propertied. and Dimensions of Unertl Scopes ... including 1956 prices

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In 1956, one could buy the 1 1/2, 20x - 25" tube & extra eye piece for $97.50.  Inflation adjusted from 1956 to 2013, the scope & eye piece is $836.16 (758.6%).  Guess I found a deal - I paid $395 plus $15 shipping ... a real Happy Birthday To Me! 
Turn myself in at the nearest police station?
Nope Red, going be a fugitive for this purchase Lips Sealed
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Reply #28 - Dec 12th, 2013 at 5:28pm
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Thanks for that reference John.  I'll have to get that reprint.

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Reply #29 - Dec 12th, 2013 at 7:24pm
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Thanks John,this is great info on these Unertl scopes Regards--Fritz
  
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