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Borderman Participating Member Offline ASSRA # 10859 Posts: 29 Location: Southern Indiana Joined: Nov 16^th, 2011	Aydt 8.15x46 - original loadings Nov 27^th, 2013 at 10:34am	Print Post
	Awaiting delivery of an Aydt schuetzen rifle made prior to 1900. I would like to load to original European standards. I cannot determine if the powder should be black or smokeless, either is fine with me. It seems a stop ring bullet is the original projectile. Leeth makes a mould, don't know of any others. I have several 8mm moulds to slug with/try to shoot - can size down if required. Brass is not an issue. Any powder/bullet knowledge would be most appreciated.

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frnkeore Frequent Elocutionist Online Posts: 7268 Location: Central Point, OR 97502 Joined: Jun 16^th, 2010	Re: Aydt 8.15x46 - original loadings Reply #1 - Nov 27^th, 2013 at 11:42am	Print Post
	As for an "original" load, BP would be it, with a SR bullet and Berdan primers, especially for your early rifle. For smokeless loads, I think you'll find that most use 4227. Mine got it's best accuracy with 13.0 gr (1350 fps) and a breech seated bullet, that is 1.03 long. But some are shooting loads as high as 14.5 gr with SR bullets. Other powers should also work, such as AA4100, Win 296, AA#9 and Alliant 300MP but, unless some on this forum have tried any of them, you can do so, start with 13.0 gr with any of them. Frank

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Fred Boulton Oldtimer Offline Posts: 801 Joined: Jan 6^th, 2007	Re: Aydt 8.15x46 - original loadings Reply #2 - Nov 27^th, 2013 at 12:04pm	Print Post
	The 8.15 round came in to general use just as smokeless powder arrived, so black is not correct for an original loading. I use the NEI stop-ring mould with 14.5 grn of 4227. Fred


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Kermit1945 Oldtimer Offline Posts: 980 Location: In Flux Joined: Aug 31^st, 2011	Re: Aydt 8.15x46 - original loadings Reply #3 - Nov 27^th, 2013 at 3:18pm	Print Post
	Fred--what brass?

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frnkeore Frequent Elocutionist Online Posts: 7268 Location: Central Point, OR 97502 Joined: Jun 16^th, 2010	Re: Aydt 8.15x46 - original loadings Reply #4 - Nov 27^th, 2013 at 3:53pm	Print Post
	I based my answer partly because they are all BP proofed and because before 1900 smokeless was fairly rare and I assume expensive, at least here in the US it was. Not all in the US even trusted it. Biggi may be able to give us facts regarding this. Frank

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westerner Frequent Elocutionist Offline deleted posts and threads record holder. Posts: 11462 Location: Why, out West of course Joined: May 29^th, 2006	Re: Aydt 8.15x46 - original loadings Reply #5 - Nov 27^th, 2013 at 4:08pm	Print Post
	I received a very nice book from Biggi, on the history and loadings of the 8.15 x 46R. In German. As far as bullets go, all types were used including jacketed. No stop ring needed when using black powder. Joe.

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QuestionableMaynard8130 Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 4144 Location: Benton Harbor MI Joined: Apr 17^th, 2004	Re: Aydt 8.15x46 - original loadings Reply #6 - Nov 27^th, 2013 at 5:01pm	Print Post
	translate it Joe, some of us would even buy it.

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Chickenthief Junior Member Offline Posts: 81 Location: Here Joined: Aug 5^th, 2013	Re: Aydt 8.15x46 - original loadings Reply #7 - Nov 27^th, 2013 at 5:13pm	Print Post
	Some good info here: (You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links) (You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links) So 0,9gram~13.8grains of some sort of smokeless in a paper "cartridge". And they were huge fans of stopring bullets. (You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links)


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Fred Boulton Oldtimer Offline Posts: 801 Joined: Jan 6^th, 2007	Re: Aydt 8.15x46 - original loadings Reply #8 - Nov 28^th, 2013 at 3:50am	Print Post
	I have two 8.15 x 46R rifles, a Buechel meister schuetzen rifle and a lightweight break action hunter. The Buechel chamber is identical to the CH dies and the nominal dimensions, but the hunter is very slightly looser. To avoid the need for resizing, i use my limited stock of RWS factory cases in the schuetzen rifle and re- formed and shortened 30-30 brass in the hunter. The 30-30 brass needs to have a couple of thou taken off the rim. Fred


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Fred Boulton Oldtimer Offline Posts: 801 Joined: Jan 6^th, 2007	Re: Aydt 8.15x46 - original loadings Reply #9 - Nov 28^th, 2013 at 3:51am	Print Post
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tim_s Oldtimer Offline Posts: 815 Location: 13066 Joined: Oct 11^th, 2006	Re: Aydt 8.15x46 - original loadings Reply #10 - Nov 29^th, 2013 at 3:25pm	Print Post
	I have extensive photos of loading equipment and loadings. It would seem black powder was extensively used well into the 20th century but loads varied a lot depending on range. A lot of pressed "pellet" type of black that you dropped from one to three into the case and shot.

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yamoon Oldtimer Offline NRA Life, ASSRA , GGCA, MCA Posts: 880 Location: Junction City Kansas Joined: Feb 11^th, 2012	Re: Aydt 8.15x46 - original loadings Reply #11 - Nov 30^th, 2013 at 11:55am	Print Post
	I have been shooting the 8.15x46R almost exclusively for 30 years. I would very much like any and all information on the cartridge & the rifles chambered for it, I would be happy to pay. I have a Konkurrence (sp) that will not chamber a round sized in an 8.15 sizing die, I have to run the brass into a 32-40 die & fire form, but the chamber is the prettiest one I've seen, almost a shoulder & a longer neck to hold the bullet aligned. Mike


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QuestionableMaynard8130 Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 4144 Location: Benton Harbor MI Joined: Apr 17^th, 2004	Re: Aydt 8.15x46 - original loadings Reply #12 - Nov 30^th, 2013 at 5:00pm	Print Post
	IMHO. Sounds kind of like the 8.15x52 we are talking about. It seems to have the possibility of shoulder tapers that vary from the normalized x46r cartridges. Mine seem to be a litle diff from the one joe posted. With different smiths making their own reamers prior to standardization all sorts of minor variations could creep in. Some work out ok, some cause conflicts

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westerner Frequent Elocutionist Offline deleted posts and threads record holder. Posts: 11462 Location: Why, out West of course Joined: May 29^th, 2006	Re: Aydt 8.15x46 - original loadings Reply #13 - Nov 30^th, 2013 at 6:03pm	Print Post
	8.15x52R is a "Normal" casing, = standardized. If a rifle is marked Normal it must have the standardized chamber dimensions. There was a 8.15X24R, 8.15X40R, ''46R, ''46 1/2R, ''52R. And most likely others. Joe.

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QuestionableMaynard8130 Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 4144 Location: Benton Harbor MI Joined: Apr 17^th, 2004	Re: Aydt 8.15x46 - original loadings Reply #14 - Nov 30^th, 2013 at 7:09pm	Print Post
	so "Normal" means something like SAAMI specs (if I've spelled it right)

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