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Re: 8.15x46r stop ring bullet info
Reply #15 - Nov 27th, 2013 at 6:51pm
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I just tried chambering one of my full length 30-30 Win SP. cases that has been resized in my 8.15x46r dies with an accurate molds 32-182N bullets thumbseated in the case mouth.  My full length 30-30/8.15 cases measure 2.048/9 case length as opposed to factory once fired cases which measure 1.828;  some .22 shorter.  The Handloaders Guide to Cartridge Conversions says 30-30 win should measure 1.976 case length Shocked Shocked  not sure why mine are measuring longer.

The #32-182N bullet   ( (You need to Login or Register to view media files and links)) has a longer slightly fatter SR than the Buffalo arms bullet, at least as my molds cast them. This is a custom mold I ordered from AM for one of my other 8.15x46r rifles.

The dummy round with bullet inserted seated easily in my Aydt with no extra pressure required and the action closed with no extra effort.   Upon opening the action the dummy round was partially extracted with the bullet still seated in the case and easily plucked free with two fingers.  I can see no contact or burnishing marks on the bullet indicting contact with the rifling or throat.  I have no blackened one yet to verify that though

I guess the next thing is to see if I have a couple 32-40 cases lying around to see if they will chamber with their nominal OAL of 2.13.
I'm beginning to wonder if this specific rifle has had an altered chamber.
  

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Re: 8.15x46r stop ring bullet info
Reply #16 - Nov 27th, 2013 at 7:01pm
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[/quote]Mine is from 1937 and has the odd chamber with no throat. [/quote]

Sounds like your rifle may be chambered in 8.15X52R.  Not sure of the details for that number. Will have to read the book further. Biggi will be here Friday,  can pick her brain in person. 

Think all target rifle calibers were "normalized" in 1908.  8.15X46R became the only cartridge allowed in matches. Not sure if the new rules effected all matches or the national matches.  I tend to think anything could be used in local matches. I seriously doubt the older rifles were parked in the closet and never used again. 

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Reply #17 - Nov 27th, 2013 at 9:20pm
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what is an 8.15x52r?    thats a new one on me and my books don't show it.
I googled it, found a reference to this thread---already!!!! several references to a rifle so chambered being sold several years ago-----with a reference that the case was a dead ringer for a 30-30 win obviously necked up to 8.15mm. Also references to a custom ammo-brass vendor who sells custom brass for it.  no history or drawings though.
  

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Reply #18 - Nov 27th, 2013 at 10:28pm
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Well, it's about twice as long as the 8.15X24R. Yes, that's another.  Don't have time now to translate the text. Can tell you that Frohn and Lang had something to do with it. This book is over two hundred pages. Fourteen pages on head stamps alone. 

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Re: 8.15x46r stop ring bullet info
Reply #19 - Nov 28th, 2013 at 4:58am
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DW und Chickenthief. The 8.15X52R is the same length as the 30-30. The shoulder is not as sharp and further up the shell than the 30-30.  Looks like a long version of the Normal 8.15X46R.  The  8.15X46R and the 8.15X461/2 are the same overall length.

Lang means long, or in the case of the 52R, long variant. 

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Reply #20 - Nov 28th, 2013 at 6:32am
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thank you Joe, and a happy Thanksgiving to you and all of yours this morning. Give Biggi my regards when she arrives.

This is really getting interesting.  The x52r in the picture looks a mite fatter that the x46r. I wish I could get better quality Cerro-safe castings--new thread topic I guess.
I guess I'll have to load up a couple of the full length cases and unload them into the ground over at my sister's later this afternoon--- just to form the cases and see what they look like.   I'd do it in my back yard but I live in town and while I can get away with CB's, fireforming 8.15x ##r might strain the relationship with my neighbors a little too far. 
I don't have sights for it yet, The rear sight that came with it was incorrect, (an earlier percussion era lollipop that did not fit the mortise correctly).  Bill Loos is working on a correct diopter, and Steve Earle is working on a rib adapter scope mount.  I'll have to create a replacement pin head for the front sight.  Once I get it fitted out properly I'll post a few pictures

Bottom flat barrel stamping are mostly proof marks and a couple random letters. All are meaningless to me.  It has the crown over U with something (maybe an eagle) above that; on the barrel, breech block and the corner of the action.   It has a 172,28, and a four digit part or assembly number that differs from the one on the breech block.  There was a name engraved in a narrow band on the breech end of the barrel top flat but it appears to have been carefully peened to obliterate the name.
  

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Re: 8.15x46r stop ring bullet info
Reply #21 - Nov 28th, 2013 at 7:19am
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@ westener.

Mine is indeed a 8.15x46R rifle and chambering, but with a strange "throat"

A fired case is a spitting image of a case sized with my Hornady dieset for 8.15x46R. Not at all like the 8.15x52R in your pic.

Top fired case, bottom sized case. I only size to get the "neck" down in size to hold a bullet.
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Reply #22 - Nov 28th, 2013 at 5:45pm
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I just touched off two fire-forming rounds, (using the same 4759 load I use in the Staup/#3Ruger schuetzen in 8.15x46r), from the Aydt using the full length cases.  They chambered, fired, and ejected perfectly normally.  The fired cases appear to have the same shoulder slopes and tapers as unfired rws 8.15x46r brass,  though on the factory case the neck/ shoulder jointure is a bit more pronounced.   (that might well change on first firing)
A this point, to my eyes, the main difference seems to be a longer neck.

gotta do a better chamber cast,  It sure seems like the chamber cast shows an even longer neck that the full length 30-30 case yields.   What is the longest case made on a 30-30 head?
  

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Reply #23 - Nov 28th, 2013 at 6:12pm
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What is the longest case made on a 30-30 head?


32/40, the 9.3x72R is close at .430 but, 2.835 long. I doubt it it would come close to chambering in either diameter or length.

What is the inside diameter of the neck on your full length fired case and the standard length case?

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Reply #24 - Nov 28th, 2013 at 6:28pm
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The OD of the base portion of my stop ring bullet fits equally tightly in both the fired long cases and the standard length 8.15s.  they are tight enough to shave lead if I don't flare the case mouth slightly.  the bullet bases mike at .318.

How much longer is the 32-40 than the 30-30 or the 8.15x46r.    

Now I'm wondering if someone cleaned up this rifles chamber with a 32-40 reamer.  EXCEPT, I can feel the shoulder tapering to the neck,  more of one than shows on the photo above.

I'm sure there is a simple explanation and I'm over complexicating things. Grin
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Reply #25 - Nov 28th, 2013 at 6:44pm
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In that case, you have a excellent oppertunity to adjust your OAL for the best fit in your throat. Fire a 32/40 and see if it tapers down. Then start at the max length that will still fit your bullet and make several cases at .030 - .060 intervals and find out what length is most accurate. 

In my chamber, I can only go to 1.94 long until my mouth is the same as my groove diameter. I only BS but, I make them that long to protect the chamber.

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Re: 8.15x46r stop ring bullet info
Reply #26 - Nov 29th, 2013 at 6:05pm
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38-55 is same case as the rest and Starline made some of the original 2.125 full length ones   wonder what they'd squeeze down to.  Just remembered I have a bag or two of new 375 win brass used to make 38-55 when 38-55 was hard to find.  may run a couple through the 8.15 die and see how they measure up.
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