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Reply #15 - Nov 22nd, 2013 at 8:15am
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waterman wrote on Nov 22nd, 2013 at 2:44am:

I have an original Farrow (probably from the early 1890s) set up for those shells, with the original front sight of a height only for shooting at 200 yards. 


Fascinating--and something I've never heard of before.  Everything I've read about the origins of .22 match shooting at 100 & 200 yds implies that organized competition at those ranges (as opposed to individuals just out to see what their guns would do) began in the late teens.
  
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Reply #16 - Nov 22nd, 2013 at 10:32am
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Somewhere, can't remember where, I have seen a repro of an early Stevens (1887?) advert announcing the introduction of the 22 Long Rifle cartridge as "specially adapted to shooting at 200 yards".  Did Stevens make their tip-up in 22 Long Rifle?
  
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Reply #17 - Nov 22nd, 2013 at 11:59am
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waterman wrote on Nov 22nd, 2013 at 10:32am:
Somewhere, can't remember where, I have seen a repro of an early Stevens (1887?) advert announcing the introduction of the 22 Long Rifle cartridge as "specially adapted to shooting at 200 yards".  Did Stevens make their tip-up in 22 Long Rifle?


LR cartridge is listed & illustrated in Stevens 1888 catalog.

I'd be the owner of Premier model tip-up in LR if the dealer who was trying to sell it hadn't let me shoot it first; best looking tip-up I've ever seen in near mint cond., but SUCH a nuisance to manipulate that heavy barrel for loading!  Had I only seen it at a show, without the chance to fire it, I'd almost certainly have bought it, & it was not cheap.
  
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Reply #18 - Nov 22nd, 2013 at 12:22pm
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Found this statement in the '88 catalog:

"These cartridges are made expressly for accurate shooting up to 200 yds in rifles especially adapted to them, having increased twist in rifling.  They differ materially from regular 22 Long cartridges, both as to quantity of powder & weight of bullet (40g).  Guns taking this cartridge will without cleaning shoot the hundredth shot as accurately as the first."

Note that the comparison is to the old LONG cartridge, not to other Long Rifles--there were no "other" LRs.

My interpretation of this statement, now that I see where it came from, is that it's mere promotional blather for the "new" LR cartridge.  This statement, alone, doesn't constitute evidence that there were organized 200 yd matches being held, though in developing the new cartridge, it was evidently tested at that range.
  
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Reply #19 - Nov 22nd, 2013 at 12:47pm
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One more thing about this fascinating subject...

In his wonderful book about the Peters & King companies, Tom Schiffer stated that prior to the introduction of King's Semi-Smokeless, the bullet of a 22 LR loaded with BP might lodge in the bore due to BP caking before a box of 50 rounds had been fired!  Don't know whether this is literally true, but it does make me pretty skeptical of Stevens' claim that the 100th shot would be as accurate as the 1st.

In the interests of research & the advancement of knowledge, someone lucky enough to own a full box of BP loaded 22s might consider putting this bore-caking issue to a scientific test!  (He'd still be left with a very nice box.)
  
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Reply #20 - Nov 22nd, 2013 at 4:15pm
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Were there match loads available for 22 Short?

Vintage 1905 ... see attachment
Note the wording in the last paragraph ...
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Reply #21 - Nov 22nd, 2013 at 4:27pm
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...the bullet of a 22 LR loaded with BP might lodge in the bore due to BP caking before a box of 50 rounds had been fired!

Redsetter ... guess it depends on the black powder being used.  Because with Swiss Null B, there is minimum barrel foul and no decrease in accuracy with my 75 rounds & John Kort's 125 rounds shot consecutively with no bore cleaning

 
  
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Reply #22 - Nov 22nd, 2013 at 4:41pm
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...the bullet of a 22 LR loaded with BP might lodge in the bore due to BP caking before a box of 50 rounds had been fired!

Redsetter ... guess it depends on the black powder being used.  Because with Swiss Null B, there is minimum barrel foul and no decrease in accuracy with my 75 rounds & John Kort's 125 rounds shot consecutively with no bore cleaning

 


No doubt it does, & except for special match rounds sold at a higher price, the ammo companies probably used "economy grade" BP.  Your results with the Swiss (which can't be obtained anywhere near here!) are amazing, & I trust them because I know John Kort.  (Though I haven't conversed with him about this subject.)
  
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Reply #23 - Nov 23rd, 2013 at 2:24am
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If you had used that smokeless Short load in 1905, by 1907 you would have been looking for a new barrel.
  
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