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Re: 32-20 Schuetzen?
Reply #15 - Oct 25th, 2013 at 4:38pm
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40_Rod wrote on Oct 25th, 2013 at 8:50am:
Go to CPA. Paul shows a 205 grain bullet with a fairly large meplat. It is a Hoch mold and should suit you well. Paul usually has these in stock.
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There has been no indication that the rifle in question is anything but the "standard" 32/20 and the twist would only allow a bullet of the 311410 length or maybe slightly longer.

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Re: 32-20 Schuetzen?
Reply #16 - Oct 26th, 2013 at 7:31am
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Our Club swinger matches I use 38/55 shoot in turn you can't pick the condition. We use a ram target wider than tall wind is seldom an issue

Formal Schuetzen offhand always use 32/40 barrel on the CPA.  Round target off horizontal cost as many points as vertical.   Look at my targets after any match and excepting trigger pull errors, horizontal off makes the score

Cartridges wind ability is critical in offhand matches.  Most people who think they can outsmart wind are fooling themselves.   Best I can do is watch for switchbacks and keep groups centered up. Only way to read wind sure is hole in the paper.

Shoot pistol cartridges at pistol distance.  Rifle matches use a rifle cartridge is my advice.

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Reply #17 - Oct 26th, 2013 at 8:37am
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Boats gives good advice, the 32/20 low pressure cartridge is not good for off-hand or BR, on the other hand considering low pressure, accuracy, and etc. the 32/40 has no equal.   ledball
  
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Reply #18 - Oct 26th, 2013 at 9:03am
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I did find good pressure data for .32-40 and lead bullets at the Hodgdon Site.  All data they give show that the .32-40 as used in Schuetzen is well within the safe operating pressures for the #1 and #5 rolling block.  I wouldn't hesitate at all to use it.

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196 GR. HOCH      Hodgdon      H4227      .324"      2.555"                        13.0      1367      18,000 CUP                
196 GR. HOCH      Hodgdon      H110      .324"      2.555"                        12.0      1376      19,200 CUP                
196 GR. HOCH      Hodgdon      Lil'Gun      .324"      2.555"                        9.3      1237      19,600 CUP                
196 GR. HOCH      IMR      Trail Boss      .324"      2.555"      5.0      833      12,500 CUP      6.0      935      25,300 CUP                
202 GR. POPE      Hodgdon      H4227      .324"      2.555"                        14.0      1376      15,900 CUP                
202 GR. POPE      Hodgdon      H110      .324"      2.555"                        13.0      1386      17,900 CUP                
202 GR. POPE      Hodgdon      Lil'Gun      .324"      2.555"                        9.5      1264      20,100 CUP                
204 GR. MILLER      Hodgdon      H4227      .324"      2.555"                        13.5      1367      16,300 CUP                
204 GR. MILLER      Hodgdon      H110      .324"      2.555"                        13.0      1369      17,900 CUP                
204 GR. MILLER      Hodgdon      Lil'Gun      .324"      2.555"                        10.8      1310      20,100 CUP             
  
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Re: 32-20 Schuetzen?
Reply #19 - Oct 26th, 2013 at 10:12am
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Off-Hand rifles need to be just as accurate as our BR rifles, if not "how far do you want to miss".  ledball
  
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Re: 32-20 Schuetzen?
Reply #20 - Oct 26th, 2013 at 10:13am
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The loads list a "204 miller". Never heard of it. Did Miller sell a mold? 
Dont mean to hijack the thread but dont want to start a new thread for one question.

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Reply #21 - Oct 26th, 2013 at 10:17am
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Westerner, the same Miller bullet is listed in the Accurate Loading manual, I've never seen  this bullet either.  ledball
  
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Re: 32-20 Schuetzen?
Reply #22 - Oct 26th, 2013 at 11:03am
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Thanks for the replies.
I have decide to pass on this rifle due to it being in 32-20 with a bore of .311 and a 1 in 20 twist.
All this would make it impossible to rechamber to 32-40 and make a decent attempt at shooting well.
But I'll keep looking.
Thanks again,
Dave

P.S. Just got a phone call... this rifle has been sold. So that makes it final.
  

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Re: 32-20 Schuetzen?
Reply #23 - Oct 26th, 2013 at 11:53am
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westerner wrote on Oct 26th, 2013 at 10:13am:
The loads list a "204 miller". Never heard of it. Did Miller sell a mold? 
Dont mean to hijack the thread but dont want to start a new thread for one question.

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Re: 32-20 Schuetzen?
Reply #24 - Nov 14th, 2013 at 12:58am
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The 32-20 WCF is an excellent and accurate cartridge.  I built one on a CPA action with a Douglas 16 twist barrel.  It shoots the Lyman 311410 30 carbine bullet under an inch at 90 yds (the back yard range) if I do my part.  I lapped the mold out to .313.  Weighs 135 grains.  I had to throat the chamber because the Clymer reamer didn't really have any throat to it.  I also had to alter a set of Lee dies to make a bushing die and a better seater die.  You won't get really good accuracy using conventional dies.  I tried it and it won't work. at least in this case.  They squeeze things  down way too much.
  
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Re: 32-20 Schuetzen?
Reply #25 - Nov 14th, 2013 at 10:05am
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Why Not a .32-20?
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Re: 32-20 Schuetzen?
Reply #26 - Nov 14th, 2013 at 11:40am
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I bet I've read that tome a half-dozen times, and think Paul in onto something. He said:

"Take a look at the target illustrated. These six groups were fired consecutively, and the average of all these groups is exactly one half inch. It is a simple thing to shoot one very small group (a "pocket group"), but to be able to shoot a series of groups this small indicates real potential. If properly centered, all of the groups would add up to three consecutive 250 scores."

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Reply #27 - Oct 24th, 2026 at 1:25pm
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I shoot a CPA in a Shuttleworth 32-20.  10.5 grains of Enforcer and 211 grain pointed lead bullets out of a Pioneer mold.  I started with a 38-55 and have come to the conclusion that if it doesn't help you, then get rid of it.  The 38-55 and the 32-40 have more recoil than the 32-20 and over a long offhand match, the recoil wears on you.  The 32-20 might give up some wind bucking ability but I am learning to read the wind and make better shots.  This is based on smokeless competition, black powder is a whole different conversation.
  
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Re: 32-20 Schuetzen?
Reply #28 - Oct 24th, 2026 at 3:09pm
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I have a #2 in 32/20 that I shoot all the time simply because it's so much fun. I've shot it at 200 offhand but the results have been less than stellar. Rather than put $1000 or more into your rifle for wood and trigger work I think that a better choice would be to buy a good used rifle that has been set up for Schuetzen. There is nothing more frustrating than having to use poorly fitting and/or  functioning equipment. Two grand can buy you a nice rifle that's ready to go and unlike the plastic crap you will always be able to sell it for what you paid or more.
  
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Re: 32-20 Schuetzen?
Reply #29 - Oct 25th, 2026 at 12:48am
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ssdave's pressure data chart shows that interesting thing that happens with Trail Boss. Notice that they entered 2 loads 5 and 6 grains. Also notice that the 1 grain increase doubled the pressure from 12,500 to 25,000. I know some folks that use it in other cartridges and they aren't careful about adding "a little more powder".
  
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