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Oct 12th, 2013 at 8:51am
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For those military single shot guys out there, check out #370130603 on Gun Broker.
At first glance, it looks like a decent P/M Turkish carbine; which is pretty unusual.
Pretty unusual in the sense that there is no documented evidence that any carbines were sold to Turkey along with their huge order for rifles.
Detail wise, there is no sling swivel bar , nor any screws holes for same; but there is a sling swivel on the buttstock.
The barrel and rear sight appear to be correct carbine; although the flip up staff is broken off.
Is this a surplus parts gun  Huh???
Any P/M specialists care to voice their opinion on this item ???
  
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Reply #1 - Oct 12th, 2013 at 1:24pm
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Turkish "B" action, buttstock, swivel, and buttplate.  Though Henry rifling is present, outside barrel contour is wrong, especially at the breech(reinforce missing).  Probably started life as a musket, barrel cut off at breech end, rechambered.  SN 510590 (see Peabody Military Rifles, Turkish for interpretation of the turkish numerals) 
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Current chambering is anybody's guess without a chamber cast.
  

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Reply #2 - Oct 12th, 2013 at 1:47pm
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Thanks for the link and info John !
Here's a shot I found that really shows what it's all about:
dovetailed flip up rear sight, long saddle ring bar, and grooved top receiver allowing for the lower rear sight.

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Reply #3 - Oct 12th, 2013 at 2:22pm
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Well that pictured carbine certainly doesn't have the chamber reinforce that is found on the rifles!.  OTOH, no provision for sling ring bar.  Since Providence was stuck with a couple hundred thousand unpaid Turkish arms, I suspect they found all kinds of uses for them.  I searched around on line  in vain for P-M carbine pics.  where did you source yours?
  

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Reply #4 - Oct 12th, 2013 at 3:40pm
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Well.... all I did was google  P/M carbines and I scrolled down through the "images" and found it.
It was originally on a British militaria forum on a "yuku" website.
 
This could well be a factory "special" assembled from leftover parts; or maybe Bannerman or Schuyler Hartley & Graham did the work.Probably never know for sure.

To be honest, the barrel finish looks a bit nicer than the rest of the gun.
I wonder if Dixie ever had surplus P/M parts like they did/do for Peabodys ?????

I know they used to have a lot of unused factory parts for Whitneys .
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Reply #5 - Oct 13th, 2013 at 9:37am
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I have one of the Peabody turk rifles that never went there.  A pretty accurate rifle in deed, the 45 Turkish is a very good cartridge.  And the chamber is pretty tight too - so tight I need to neckturn my reformed 470 NE brass.
  
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Reply #6 - Oct 13th, 2013 at 11:56am
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Mr. Martini,
I'm assuming that your Peabody Turk rifle that "never went there" has NO Turk markings on it ??? Is that the basis for your statement ?
I own a rather nice example myself;( with plenty of markings) but have yet to shoot it.
I have some brass; and would be interested in knowing what bullet and powder works well for you .
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Reply #7 - Oct 14th, 2013 at 12:21pm
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Well, it doesn't have any Turk acceptance marks, and the rear sight is graduated in 'normal' numerals.  For the rest, it is identical to a Turk 2nd model, including the Tugra.   
Loads?
Pretty easy , actually:  somewhere between 80-85grs of Fg or 1 1/2Fg, card overpowder wad and a 480-530gr .458 bullet seated in a necksized case (to get some necktension - I use a Lyman Postell), the bullet seated out about 2 Grease grooves, but not touching the rifling.
I shoot both converted Kynamco #2 Musket brass (yes, I know!) and federal .470 NE.
Shoots a treat, provided you can handle the rear sight.  I cannot, so I replaced it with a  somewhat more modern sight ladder (Brit Martini post Mk I).
Blowtubing between shots, 5-6 long, deep exhales.  Will easily keep the 9-ring on the ISSF 25m pistol target at 100m, and probably better too.  The rest is up to the shooter... (I only shoot prone, unsupported, with sling)
Every bit as accurate as my Roumanian Steyr in #2 Musket, maybe even better.
  
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Reply #8 - Oct 14th, 2013 at 3:54pm
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Thanks for the detailed reply.
Regarding the rear sight; if memory serves, I think it isn't much more than an extremely wide and shallow "V"; with no notch to speak of ?
Those old Turks must have been eagle eyed to say the least !
  
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Reply #9 - Oct 14th, 2013 at 4:25pm
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That's indeed the big issue for accurate shooting.  Mine's now in a little bag, just in case I need it later, and to keep the rifle complete.
Just preppped some Federal 470 NE brass, which is now duotone (Cases are nickeled, but the necks havebeen turned, so...), and they are loaded and ready for fireforming.  something for thursday or sunday.
  
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Reply #10 - Oct 15th, 2013 at 10:43am
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You're a better man than I (Gungha Din") if you can shoot those full-house BP loads prone with a 530 gr Postell!   My hat's off to you!!  I don't mind recoil but prefer to absorb it standing or sitting cross-legged!
  

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Reply #11 - Oct 15th, 2013 at 3:04pm
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John,

Just make sure you put that buttplate where it belongs, and pull it tightly into your shoulder so as not to give it a running start, and recoild will be surprisingly mild...  More us push than a kick, even though she will move quite a bit.  But it won't hurt.  OTOH, if you put that buttplate the wrong place, or don't pull the buttstock into your shoulder, she'll let you know for sure!
  
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Reply #12 - Oct 15th, 2013 at 8:55pm
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I'm taking your word for it.  I'm not as "flexible" as I used to be!!   Wink
  

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Reply #13 - Oct 22nd, 2013 at 10:46pm
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Those of you with Turkish Peabody-Martini's:  What marks do you find on the barrel at the breech under the fore-end?  Any signs of a serial number, witness mark for barrel threading, or other>  I have a musket that has a small letter "k", as does the carbine in question.  No other marks on these two.
  

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